• Vegasimov@reddthat.com
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    Every country that currently has gun control laws, at some point didn’t have gun control laws and did have an armed population

    They all managed to pull it off, the USA is unique in thinking this is an impossible task. And they haven’t even tried

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      Every country that currently has gun control laws, at some point didn’t have gun control laws and did have an armed population

      Many of those countries had only an armed aristocracy, and they made those laws to keep firearms out of everyone’s hands before there were hundreds of millions of armed people.

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        No. All these countries had crap loads of guns. UK is a good example.

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          Interestingly enough, you can still purchase rifles and shotguns in the UK… you can even purchase an AR-15 or a Beretta ARX 160 legally in the UK so long as it’s chambered for .22LR and approved by the police. You just have to tell them it’s for a shooting club; not self defense.

          When the UK passed their laws, it was more targeting handguns.

          One of the biggest problems around guns in America is the culture. Dickbags seem to want to associate manhood with the usage of this one specific type of tool.

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            You can buy pretty much anything in the UK if you meet legal requirements. People have machine guns and even bloody tanks. But they have them for a good and valid reason and don’t go on killing rampages.

            Guns regs don’t mean no guns. Gun regs mean no guns for idiots.

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        Douche.

        The answer was clearly “Try”

        We haven’t even done that yet.

        The path on how to start is clear enough. Voluntarily surrendering weapons, followed by mandatory, decades later we’ll see results. But I don’t think you’re the type to participate in gun control discussions in good faith.

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          The fact that real kinder eggs are illegal because of safety concerns and guns are not is mindblowing.

          It is easier to get a gun in the states than it is to get a kinder egg with a little toy in it.

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            That’s an absolute lie. I can buy a kinder egg no questions asked online. You can’t sell them as food with plastic pieces inside them, though.

            In most US states you have a huge amount of regulation on guns you need to be familiar with and of course it’s different state by state.

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              Try to cross the border into the states with a real kinder egg and then we can talk about where the lies are.

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                I have? It’s literally an FDA thing, not something generally enforced by border patrol or regular cops. Customs might stop you if you declare it but frankly I doubt it. They’re more likely to stop you if they think it’s a real egg.

                How out of touch can you be?

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                  How out of touch can you be?

                  You are the one fighting over kinder eggs dude.

                  Btw I’ve gone across the border and had them taken away so… Yea

                  Anyhow you are pointless.

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                    You are the one making dumb ass claims about kinder eggs, not me. Look in the mirror and out the window once in a while

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          Try how? Go on, what can I do right now today to start fixing the problem? See if you can answer without an insult.

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            Again, the point is we’re not even there yet. We can theory craft all we want, and you can poke imaginary holes in every measure taken. And in the end, you will still reach the conclusion of “if it’s not perfect, why try?” and nothing will change.

            So, why bother? No matter what solutions someone brings to the table, you will not be satisfied.

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              I’ve yet to see a solution come to the table. That’s my point. There certainly are plenty of people making claims that it needs to be done, but no one to provide the “how.”

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                Draw a line in the sand for weapon varieties. For me, that’s semi auto. Allow shotguns, bolt action rifles, etc for practical use and self defense. But any line will be hotly debated.

                Ban sales of new ones. Give X years for voluntary surrender of existing ones.

                After voluntary window expires, send authorities after registered ones, or just send fines for a while.

                Any crime after mandatory kicks in gets multiplied if an illegal gun was in proximity.

                Then, time.

                Happy? It’s pretty simple to get started. Then iterate when actual problems manifest.

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                  After voluntary window expires, send authorities after registered ones, or just send fines for a while.

                  This part doesn’t work with your “solution.” Do you expect the police to enter people’s homes and take their guns?

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                    Iterative. Fines, court dates, warrants when it comes down to it. Sentencing enhancements for crimes.

                    I wouldn’t send authorities into homes, no.