TLDR: XFCE and Cinnamon devs are begging beginning to work on Wayland support.

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    11 months ago

    I feel like talk about Wayland being the next big thing, “coming soon” began back when I was using Linux as my daily driver over ten years ago.

    It’s still not widely used?

        • merthyr1831@lemmy.worldOP
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          11 months ago

          Not sure if that’ll stay much longer, either. I’m using using dual graphics with nVidia and Wayland on KDE works just fine. The only annoyance is that KDE doesn’t have very good touchpad gestures by default, but you also can’t modify them. Boo!

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      11 months ago

      It’s extremely widely used. It’s been the Gnome default (unless you used Nvidia) since 2016 or something.

      Even in Debian on Gnome it’s been the default since 2019.

      On KDE a bunch of distros use it too.

      Wayland is the future. But for most it’s already the present too.

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        11 months ago

        Nvidia has been decent on Wayland from my experience. Then again my experience has just been 5 days, but it feels snappier than X11 I kinda like the feel.

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      11 months ago

      It’s a very slow moving project by design for better or for worse. There also hasn’t been a ton of developer interest in the DE space in supporting it until the last few years since it would necessarily take resources away from other work, and generally X has been “good enough” until recently. I don’t have anything to back this up but I suspect that the increased accessibility of gaming on Linux as well as HRR and HDR displays entering the mainstream had a lot to do with this renewed interest.

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      11 months ago

      I’ve been using Wayland for about 8 years at this point. Some people (especially in the Linux world) are just really against change.

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          11 months ago

          The video card thing, if talking about NVidia, really is wayland’s fault. The devs refuse to use the card and driver the way X did. I suspect it’s because they don’t like NVidia’s licensing of the driver, and they’re trying to make life a pain for NVidia users to for the business to make concessions.

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            11 months ago

            This is the original developer/maintainer of Sway and Wlroots’ opinion on NVIDIA with regard to Wayland. This doesn’t seem like an unfair opinion to me. Gamescope breaks regularly due to bugs in NVIDIA’s proprietary driver; even if they know what the issue is, they can’t send patches to fix it because it’s proprietary. The best they can do is open a bug and beg them to fix it, which is what they do. If there’s an issue on Intel or AMD, they can just send patches upstream to Mesa, and I would guess they do.

            Thankfully, with the heavy active development of NVK, this might change in a few years.

            Mind you, I’ve actually had a better experience on KDE Wayland than Xorg. Categorically…with the exception of Steam. While the games themselves play fine, the client is very glitchy. But it’s a small price to pay for all the other nonsense I’ve had to deal with on GNOME/KDE X11.

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      11 months ago

      It’s still got issues even now, but back then they were big enough that you had to really want to use it, casual users would have become quickly frustrated.

      Also Steam.

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      11 months ago

      “Coming soon” for me started when major DEs started abandoning xorg, not when they adopted wayland.

      • merthyr1831@lemmy.worldOP
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        11 months ago

        Steamdeck’s KDE desktop doesn’t run Wayland, it’s still X11. That being said, Valve has said they want to move to Wayland at some point.

        Not sure about their gamescope mode. I know it’s a custom compositor but beyond that I’ve got no idea what the underlying tech powers it.