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Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron on Thursday released a written order detailing why he determined Donald Trump’s Wednesday sworn testimony denying that he attacked a court clerk “rings hollow and untrue” after he fined the former president $10,000 for his second violation of a partial gag order meant to protect courtroom staff.
The former president had claimed on the witness stand that he had been referring to his former lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen as the “partisan” sitting “alongside” Engoron when he spoke to reporters outside the courtroom on Wednesday. But the judge was unconvinced, deeming that excuse “not credible.”
“Witnesses do not sit ‘alongside’ the judge, they sit in the witness box, separated from the judge by a low wooden barrier,” Engoron wrote in the order, obtained by The Messenger. “Further, Donald Trump’s past public statements demonstrate him referring to Michael Cohen directly by his name, or by a derogatory name, but in all circumstances, he is unambiguous in making it known he is referring to Michael Cohen.”
He added: “Using imprecise language as an excuse to create plausible ambiguity about whether defendant violated this Court’s unequivocal gag order is not a defense; the subject of Donald Trump’s public statement to the press was unmistakably clear.”
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He’s been calling her that for years, and it’s kind of wild nobody really mentions it. Michael Cohen tried to play it off as “oh its probably commentary on how she handles lawsuits” (paraphrased) but it’s pretty clear from this list of nicknames that Trump just likes rhyming nicknames for bullying people about things he thinks makes others inferior, including but not limited to racism, ableism and sexism.
Well black is superior to orange so I think she’s alright
If black and orange can’t even get together for Halloween, we’re worse off than I thought.
I thought Orange Is the New Black … ::rimshot::
I’ll see myself out!
Reading this back days later, I do want to clarify for anyone that doesn’t get it, that I was referencing the show Orange Is the New Black as a play on words in the comment above.
That was when Trump replaced Obama in the White House. Orange was the new Black, now it’s White again
most brilliant Wikipedia page hands down 😂
I’ve never heard that word. TIL. Dang sneaky dog whistles that just go over my head.
That’s the whole point. Unless you are a dog you don’t hear it. Otherwise it would just be a normal whistle…
Like whistling Dixie?
FNORD
I think I’ve only heard it in Police Academy, when Hooks accidentally runs over the feet of one of the bad guys.
Fuck I haven’t heard that word in like 10 years. But yeah that’s legit what that statement looks like.
Yeah, “peekaboo” is something Trump probably uses as a dog whistle because he actually thinks it’s a slur, but his dumb brain transposed it for the one you mentioned some time in the past and nobody bothered to correct him, so he just keeps using it, like when people incorrectly use the word “irregardless.”
That was the first thing that popped into my head. Why can’t this fucker just have a heart attack from all his hamberders already? I’m sick of hearing his shit. The last 3 years were nice. Man was practically out of the news cycle.
I do not know. But. Like. I’m willing to pitch in to buy him an all-you-can-eat supply of them. you know. To help the heart attack along.
Got my popcorn out . . . .
Ignorant white dude here, what is it jigaboo?
Yet another slur for a black person.
Just had to look it up myself, it’s a contemptuous term for a black person.
How confident are we that Trump would know that?
In his generation, particularly with known actions of his father, I’m quite certain he would know that word. Very common for that age group and their parents.
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Honestly, I’m glad that it was asked here in this context, because a) everybody reading this without the prerequisite knowledge will find an immediate answer and b) I’d rather not land on some list for googling something that may or may not be a red flag without even knowing :)
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If you think you’re going to land on some kind of list for googling a word then you should be out in the street rioting.
Oh, I absolutely know that everything I google is meticulously sorted into my data profile. I just wanna be a good zombie and be on all the right lists :)
You’re posting on the fediverse. You’re already on all the lists.
I was thinking the exact same thing. I came to the comment section to see if anyone else caught it, or if I was jumping to conclusions.
You’re trying to tell me there’s black guys on the internet now?
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I had to google that word because I had no idea of its existence.
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I didn’t even know that slur existing. Fuck Trump. When will we finally get to not give a shit about him.
Prob bc it’s an older slur, like how most people wouldn’t recognize dago or wop these days. But unlike racism against Italians, the country never moved on from being racist against black people, so greaseball hamberders like the orange combover can still gin up reactions with his klan supporters by dogwhistling it.
Isn’t peekaboo a game you play with babies?
Is that a euphemism for like having some kind of affair?
“playing peekaboo under the table”
Or am I hallucinating?
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Jesus Christ
lol black guys don’t exist on the internet. They’re all out ice skating
Calling it now.
Trump Tower will be renamed: The Barack Hussain Obama Center for Multicultural and Gender Studies
If there’s any justice in this world it will be
…For Kids Who Can’t Read Good
This needs to be at least…. 3 times bigger!
Wednesday night is Drag Queen night!
Every night is drag queen night!
Honestly. If I had the disposable income… I’d buy Trump Tower, and branding rights to “trump”… and then, like turn the tower into a homeless shelter.
Apparently, Trump’s naming rights are tied up in the Trump Org that’s likely to be disbanded and sold off thanks to this case. So his own name could be sold to someone else to use. I’m really hoping some progressive group buys it just to open “Trump LGBTQ Safe Spaces.” Though, at the same time, I don’t think his name would make many feel “safe.” So maybe “Trump Waste Removal Company”? Their slogan could be “We Know How To Deal With Massive Amounts of Garbage.”
I think that a halfway house for inmates transitioning to being free would be good. The MAGA seditionists can transition to the free world again, and see how Trump lived when he grifted them.
Trump Seasons Landscaping has a nice ring…
I mean, I’d prefer “The Barack Hussain Obama Center for Children Who Can’t Read Good and Wanna Learn to Do Other Stuff Good Too” but I’ll take anything at this point.
You would think that, but there is still an airport named after Reagan.
He added: “Using imprecise language as an excuse to create plausible ambiguity about whether defendant violated this Court’s unequivocal gag order is not a defense; the subject of Donald Trump’s public statement to the press was unmistakably clear.”
Damn I really wanna see a lot more of this kinda scrutiny on the weasel word bullshit.
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Judge calling him out for using toddler tactics. Nice.
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I believe this trial will not have a jury though. The judge will hear the arguments and make a ruling himself.
While I agree the fine should have been much larger, it’s important to note that the judge called Trump a liar – in court. That’s not a great sign for Trump’s defense.
“Hollow and Untrue” would be a great name for a Trump mini-series.
His niece really nailed it with Too Much and Never Enough
That would explain how he apparently only weighs 210 lbs.
Bet it will be a limited series on FX within 3 years.
They’ll get it ready for release but wait for him to die, just to avoid the lawsuits dragging out the release.
“Using imprecise language as an excuse to create plausible ambiguity about whether defendant violated this Court’s unequivocal gag order is not a defense; the subject of Donald Trump’s public statement to the press was unmistakably clear.”
“Using imprecise language as an excuse to create plausible ambiguity about whether defendant violated this Court’s unequivocal gag order is not a defense; the subject of Donald Trump’s public statement to the press was unmistakably clear.”
Its also a harken back to what Cohen said. That he doesn’t say things explicitly. He asks like a mob boss asks.
Yep. That is certainly a quote without any additional context from the article.
Why doesn’t the crybaby bonespur loser just shut up and stop committing crimes for once? 😄
I still don’t understand what makes Republicans going so deep into his ass: https://youtu.be/P4VwFYtltDw?t=5m13s
I’m leaning towards him having dirt on the entire GOP (or most of 'em)
I think if Trump had direct dirt on them, he’s too stupid to not blab it out at some point during all the infantile name-calling he calls “campaigning”.
More likely is that Putin has kompromat on most of the GOP, and the threat of ol’ Putin-on-the-Blitz giving that information to Trump is what allows him to hold on to their short and curlies.
This is the one.
The people that vote for the GOP would probably not give two shits about the kompromat. Were talking about a party of criminals, rapists, pedophiles, crooks, grifters, grafters, racketeers, and every other thing you can think of. If anything, their voters love it. They see hypocrisy as a display of power—a flex. It’s a manner of “owning the libs.” The only thing the kompromat would do is serve to embarrass and shame, assuming they still have any sense if shame. And if they have no shame, it is to their benefit to embrace and show it off.
We are dealing with a party that revels in wickedness. The only thing more powerful than kompromat is the words of the leader, the Orange Menace himself. If Donald Trump wanted to burn someone he’d just say something and his sycophants would believe it mostly without question.
It’s pretty simple. He gets votes. Votes let them personally get money. Everything is on the table if it gets votes.
They will do anything to get votes because votes make them money personally, either directly with tax cuts, or via bribes for tax cuts.
Thats it.
I always recall Cawthorne talking about the cocaine orgies…
Trump is very good at one thing: riling up the MAGA faithful. And this is pretty much the entire GOP base now. So if you go against him, he’ll just post that you’re a RINO on Truth Social or denigrate you at a rally. Then, MAGA will push to get you primaried by someone Trump approves of.
The GOP locked themselves into the room with MAGA and made them the GOP’s base. Now, they find that they can’t do anything Trump opposes because he controls MAGA. Even if he sends a crowd of MAGA to kill them, they need to reply with “thank you, sir, for almost getting us killed. We deserved that.”
For real, they love to fall in line behind a “strong man,” but trump literally does nothing but cry. It’s like his whole schtick. I don’t get it at all?!
trump literally does nothing but cry.
Truly he represents them.
Look up the concept of a “useful idiot”, that’s him.
Those Jimmy monologues are damned great!
it’s funny that I would have expected Colbert to have the best insights/humour in their Trump bits.
But instead it’s Seth Meyers, who i never liked on SNL but who absolutely shines with his political stuff, and Kimmel, who are leading the way.
Of course that’s not including Oliver, because no one is on Oliver’s level.
Fallon is a joke in comparison.
Whoa, that’s a radical idea.
I remain convinced he would have been reeleected in a landslide if he had just said, “Listen to Dr. Fauci.” But he can’t; his ego is out of control.
Every time he gets fined he pulls millions in donations. Throw his ass in the can. Keep him there until his legal troubles are sorted. He’s facing 90 something felonies. (think I’ve seen 91 and/or 94 different charges referred to.)
He should still be able to make most of his court appearances from MDC Brooklyn. They’ve dealt with high profile inmates plenty of times. Stop letting him play the legal system like a fiddle for personal gain.
I honestly think the next time he runs afoul of the gag order he’ll get a few days for contempt. Whether they’ll be immediately suspended pending appeal I don’t know, but it’s one of the things a judge can do to enforce order immediately and without a lot of oversight. There’s case after case of some perp mouthing off to the judge and immediately earning a few weeks in jail and Trump has had $15k worth of warnings now. The next offense should be a hotel stay.
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Can a person appeal contempt?
Yes. If it’s criminal, it can be appealed. I think however that the judge will make very sure that the violation is obvious. Considering Trump’s defense (“I wasn’t talking about your aide, I was talking about Cohen”) and the fact the judge considered it, called bullshit on it, and left the $10k fine in place demonstrates that the judge has no patience for Trump’s usual line of bullshit. Trump now knows that a) court staff are not to be criticized and b) being intentionally vague is not going to save him. The next time Trump crosses the line will be far more perilous.
Between Georgia RICO and the DC and Florida trials stemming from Jack Smith’s investigation, he’s facing 91 charges.
The NY trial is, as far as I’m aware, civil.
Trump melts down
FINALLY!
on Truth Social
…oh. Guess the celebrations will have to be postponed again.
Waiting for a literal meltdown, as in a headline saying he walked into a furnace.
If he gets time in jail he could write a book about his struggle. “My Struggle”
Yeah but I’m not convinced he could actually write a book.
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He could even translate into German. Mein… Something.
You joke, but he’s literally following in the guys footsteps. The beer hall putsch was 10 years before he became chancellor.
The guy who’s on the loose here in Maine’s Twitter likes were full of drumpf Jr, tucker and elmo musk.
Domestic terrorism is the real price we’re paying. My kids can’t go to our usual group Halloween thing this year because it may be the unlucky gathering he attacks next. Shits real for some of us.
Considering he’s 77 there’s a high chance he’ll be dead or demented within the next 10 years.
Pretty sure he’s demented now
but this Judge and his ‘boss,’ Letitia Peekaboo James
He just had to get that borderline racist little dig in, didn’t he.
What’s racist here? Is peekaboo racist? Isn’t that just the word you tell children before you surprise them?
It’s a dogwhistle for jigaboo
Ok… next question… what’s that?
It’s just a slur. It doesn’t really have any great meaning. It’s kind of like calling somebody a shithead. Do they really have shit on their head, or is it really made out of shit? Probably not, but that’s not the important part of the message. The important part is the accusation, and that’s about all it means. Like the word woke, it doesn’t really mean anything, but everybody who uses it as an accusation is pretty sure what they mean by it. Everybody who would call a black person a jiggaboo (or cleverly cloak it in “peekaboo”) is the same. It has no meaning, but they all agree on what it means to them.
Old timey American slang for black person, meant to have a derogative tone.
I saw that comment, but didn’t know where they were getting “jigaboo” from, nor had I ever heard of “jigaboo” or what it meant. But thanks for trying to help. I think I get it now, after one of the other responses.
Yep. “Downfall”, the bunker scene. With Trump sitting at the desk.
“Downfall”, the bunker scene. With Trump sitting at the desk.
Dormak and Jalad, at Tanagra.
Shaka, when the walls fell
Temba, his arms wide
Trump, his McDonald’s cold.
Kermit, his cup raised.
I imagine it’s more like him sitting on a toilet, furiously typing away on his phone. He’d be fat-fingering his phone if not for the fact that he has such small hands.
Covfefe
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DER SHITPOST VON GIULIANI WAR EIN BEFEEEEEHL!!!
NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN
sharts vigorously
I WAS THE BEST PRESIDENT THIS COUNTRY WILL EVER GET.
more sharting
When are we going to start having mental health/psychological examinations for our politicians? I feel that should be a minimum requirement.
A TS/SCI background investigation would cover it. One would think the commander in chief should be able to hold a security clearance. Then there’s Ivanka and Jared with China and the Saudis. But hunter biden did what?
That would be abused as quickly as a poll test would.
I would settle for candidates being able to pass a security clearance check. It is what our founders intended when they demanded that presidents not be foreign born.
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I don’t agree, but if it actually were the case, I would want him out, also.
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It’s so weird that people exist out there that hold strong opinions about Biden’s ability to speak but never actually watch him make statements, answer questions from the press, or give interviews. I guess having to actually see reality would shatter the delusions you’ve been fed by propaganda outlets and we can’t have that.
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You’re not making the point you think you are making.
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Trump should be treated the same as the shit that goes down my kitchen sink and I flip a switch to shred and drain it.
Ugh, gosh I wish I had one of those
I wonder if Trump could even define plausible ambiguity.
If asked to, he’d shit out a minute or two of word salad without answering the question, as Cult 45 smugly nods along.
