This meme ignores a ton of nuance, as there are many who publicly appeared to support the Nazis but worked behind the scenes to stop Hitler or save people’s lives.
Schindler, Hosenfeld, and likely tens of thousands of Germans whose names will never be remembered (because many couldn’t safely use their real names) but whose stories survive because of their bravery.
While I agree that people should publicly oppose authoritarian regimes where you can, it’s not always possible to do when you live within a totalitarian structure.
Since you already added facts, here’s another: The word in question is “Mitläufer”, which translates to Nazi sympathizer. Sympathizing with the general goal of Nazis more than with their victims is IMO just as bad, as they rationalize all the bad as “a sacrifice worth the goal”.
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Schindler was a Nazi sympathizer. Sure thing, Jan.
No he wasn’t. I never said that. I was just giving the answer to the questions in the meme.
yeah, we had a whole vocabulary we’ve lost. sympathizers, quislings, resistance, there’s a whole lot we’re going to have to remember and/or reinvent unfortunately.
This meme ignores a ton of nuance,
This is the nature of the medium, it’s really, really hard to make a complex, nuanced “meme.”
Figure out the most important, easy-to-digest-by-illiterate-teens message you want to impart, then edit it down to just the most black-and-white idea you can impart, because I promise you… nothing else will make a dent.
Yeah, historically it’s a bit more complicated. Widerstand gegen den Nationalsozialismus which was an unorganized and very splintered resistance movement existed. There’s a lot of reasons for why they couldn’t quite make the impact they wanted, besides being splintered, but that’s probably the largest one.
Besides that though, the Germans did attempt to cleanse their image after the world war with the Wehrmacht myth. The myth essentially states that the regular army had no knowledge of the acts committed by the SS, that the average German solider was bravely fighting for their country under false pretenses. Obviously it’s not true, but it seems to have been rather effective unfortunately.
They should have acted more forcefully before it became totalitarian. For those who came of age into it I can agree with you but it was a small portion of the population.
The Nazis pulled a project 1932 immediately on taking power and absolutely obliterated every possible opposition within months of taking power through a wide variety of tactics. The gap between the Reichstag fire and utter totalitarianism was very, very short and in an era where information spread far more slowly.
They never won more than 37% of the popular vote (though it almost certainly would have been higher had there been elections later on and before the war, we just can’t know the exact amount as there weren’t any).
Well people looked at that and said, you know what, that’s what we need here.
Or alternatively our other leaders saw that being planned and said, you know what people would like instead? The Status Quo! Let’s run as the establishment as the only option other than Nazis.
History repeats itself.
Right. But what about before they were in power? It’s not as if Hitler was some unknown. People knew or should have known what would happen.
They literally imprisoned Hitler.
But okay.
What happened next?
Putting him in prison didnt stop him. It clearly was not enough.
I just have difficulty taking this particular viewpoint seriously.
There are books about the two dozen assassination attempts against Hitler, some by ordinary people and some by the Nazis themselves. There are thousands of books about various pockets of resistance. Innumerable films.
To say ‘they didn’t try hard enough’ is, to me, just nonsense.
Yeah there was plenty of resistance from various quarters it just got smashed quickly and wasn’t coordinated enough. Born again Christians were vehemently opposed to the regime for example and suffered harshly for it. Obviously all the lefties etc. too.
On the flip side the Nazis did win over a significant percentage of the population through the late 1930s because of how well the economy was doing, it just never went to a plebiscite so we’ll never know the exact numbers.
They were hard against leftists, unionists, socialists, communists, and the like from the start, and that’s why the industrialists liked them in the first place, and why the west allowed them to fester, because the rich were afraid of the communists, and more afraid of a little reform in general, than putting a single person in absolute power indefinitely.
It really does boggle the mind after you realize this is a dynamic that happens over and over, just as Rome had the same thing a generation before Caesar around the 1st century BC when Sulla came to power on the tail end of Marius’ many consolships. They were afraid of the populares, and reform, and gave dictator powers to sulla that declared himself dictator for life and went on a proscription rampage after violently taking the city, putting up lists of men to kill every day, that soon included his allies, he took the assets of the proscribed and taking his rich allies assets was the end in itself after too long.
But time and again, fear of moderate reform on the “left” leads to supporting an all powerful ruler that carries far more danger to the rich and poor alike.
I haven’t heard of 2 dozen assassination attempts, and I suspect that is wildly revised upwards by people seeking to make them look better.
There was the one attempt at the meeting, the bomb under the table, that Rommel was involved in. That’s the only one I can recall.
I’m talking about citizens, not the government.
No, the meme only covered the people were Nazis but we’re confused about.
People who faught against the Nazis regime clearly were on Nazis. That’s not a nuance.
a nazi is a nazi until forever. bones in the ground? still a fucking nazi worth only to be pissed on.
tried to help get folks out but wore the uniform? still a fucking nazi. even Schindler.
the only GOOD people were the ones who refused outright and may have died trying to destroy the regime.
nazism is a one way fucking street. it has to be. because otherwise in our current era we’ll have, in 30 years, a lot of the same horseshit “i tried but learned too late” rhetoric.
nobody can claim to have learned too late.
Thank you for your comment. I hope you have a nice Saturday.
People get very confused when told that hating jews isn’t the defining characteristic of Nazi ideology. I blame our education on WW2 which seems to focus entirely on either battles, or the holocaust. Barely anything on the rise of fascism in Europe and how it was supported by (still active and popular) right wing parties in many countries.
And education does not talk enough about the fact that they had genocidal goals towards other races/groups too, including mine (Slavic). It has resulted in some very bizzare things, as seen in this meme; https://i.imgur.com/Hr3mNEq.gif
This meme teaches an important point.
Thank you for sharing it, OP. I’ll remember this.
The meme ends too early. How do you call all those people after you need them to oppose Communism?
Neighbour.
DID I STUTTER???
I get what this is going for but most of Nazi Germany fell into one of these categories in one way or another and history only really remembers the high party members and the ss as nazis- the rest got washed away by Cold War propaganda. No point in trying to make history seem like some great judge of character when clearly we don’t learn a thing from it
We learn, then we watch the sheep repeat it, as they follow the other guys that also did learn it, but somehow decided to also play the part of the nazi or the collaberator/controlled opposition.
According to his meme, a small child of 4 who didn’t take up arms is a Nazi. It’s probably refreshing to condemn the others so easily.
When I see a comment in such bad-faith as this I can’t help but assume they’re just butthurt at criticism of fascism.
Ah yes those 4-year-olds who supported Hitler or stayed quiet, two things they’re known to do.
Operating in bad faith to defend nazis doesn’t make you appear objective or intelligent.
