• aesthelete@lemmy.world
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    Note that the one at the top is a non-resident of the area coming in from somewhere else to protect property from people

    And the one at the bottom is a chapter of locals protecting people from federal agents

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      29 days ago

      That’s the story he told to escape justice.

      He actually went to murder people.

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    This is why I think a bunch of the ICE harassment is in Minneapolis right now. A city where no open carry is allowed.

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      Open carry of handguns is allowed with a permit, and Minnesota is a “shall issue” state, so it’s easy to get a permit.

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        I always tell people when you get far enough left you end up back in the pro gun camp.

        Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary

        • Karl Marx

        I always describe myself as an “under no pretext” gun supporter rather than a “shall not be infringed” supporter.

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          Funny enough, every other country with strict gun laws don’t deal with a percentage of the bullshit America does.

          Also funny enough, the “shall not be infringed” comes long after a pretty pivotal phrase of “well organized militia”. Unless you’re a well organized militia, the 2nd doesn’t apply to you.

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            Unless you’re a well organized militia, the 2nd doesn’t apply to you.

            That’s not how the courts have interpreted that old English. Rather that the opening phrase is an example of how the right of the people could be applied, not that it is the only way it could be applied. Language evolves, but that doesn’t necessarily mean how we interpret a phrase written 200+ years ago should evolve with it. If you want to change the amendment, then you need a new amendment.

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              Nah that’s how it was conventionally interpreted (as a collective not individual right). You’re giving a c20 reinterpretation and claiming it was original.

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                  You sure seemed to be implying that that is how it was always viewed (“to change the meaning you need another amendment then”), come on now.

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    This illustrates a point in legal discussions that I don’t think lawmakers consider. “What would your opponent do with these powers?” If they did, there would never be an escalation of authority.

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      It’s why I await a new Democratic president with the authority from the Supreme Court to have full immunity.

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        The SCROTUS decides what qualifies. If Republican SCROTUS, Republican president is fine to do whatever and a Democrat one is not. If Democrat SCOTUS, they will say the president does not have immunity regardless of political party. So only Republican presidents will ever benefit from it.

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        So you can be disappointed for 48 consecutive months while they use that power to entrench fascism?

        Democratic leadership just negotiated more money for ICE in the latest funding resolution.

        There may be an ok democrat here and there, but the core of the party is rotten.

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    If I had a restaurant I’d be offering these guys a free coffee and dessert along with a “no ICE” sign.

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      Oakland has stricter-than-usual gun control laws to this day because of the Black Panthers. The solution, of course, is to simply get the guns in a neighboring area where it’s easier to do so.

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        Yeah, having a gun free zone right next to a gun restricted one is kind of pointless (See US/Mexico border).

        It is almost like we would need for all the states to work together to create gun control laws. Maybe they could like federate into a single government body that would be in charge of these regulations and not beholden to special interests.

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    TBH I support neither. City Hall, the Governor, and State Congress are the ones working to keep ICE out, the BPP are endangering that street not protecting it.

    That said, I won’t mourn any ICE who get what’s coming to them, either.

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      Its the BPPFSD. Currently the last thing anyone needs is people filtering in from all over the country just to start shit. ICE included. There is no valid criticism against residents defending themselves against fascists.

      If city hall, the governor, or state Congress manage to achieve much. It will unfortunately be too little too late. Though it does look like they’re trying. So props for that I guess. It’s definitely more than our local government would do for us.

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        Walking your fully automatics down the street is a defence? Of what? The curb?

        Would it not be more effective to bring flashbangs and riot shields? Or a firehose? No, instead they’re bringing militant extremist onto mainstreet which will legitimize any use of force the Trump admin uses to retaliate.

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          Bullies want weak prey. If their targeted prey are packing, they’re booking it out of there. The other things are good. But the fact that their next murder might end in a hail of bullets on them. That’s the only thing that would make them think twice.

          If you flashbang them they’re going to treat you as if you were armed. Be armed. If you’re brandishing a shield, they’re going to treat you as if you’re armed and waiting to assault them. Be armed. If you hit them with a firehose, they’re going to treat it as deadly assault. Like colliding with an agent at 2mph. Be deadly. There’s more of us than them.

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            Trump is fighting the courts and his own people in congress over whether or not he can send in a fullscale military response. There is nothing strong about bringing a big gun to the protest, it shows you’re afraid and that you’re willing to endanger the lives of countless others.

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              Their lives are already endangered. They’ve murdered many already. They should be afraid. Any court that would justify him sending in the military against citizens. Exercising their constitutionally protected rights, is an invalid court. which, by the way, the courts will ultimately allow.

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                3 dead in one state, some number between 5 and 20 spread across the USA in a year, it’s a systemic problem that needs to be immediately stopped but I can tell you it is not open warfare. It’s not the LA Riots, it’s not Tienanmen Square. It is not the Great Purge of 37. It will rapidly approach those events, perhaps even surpass them, if we idolize gun violence and keep pulling stunts like this, though.

                That’s the problem with accelerationists like the BPP and right wing anarchists, they’re completely fine with death and violence if it has any chance of making themselves less governable. They hate the social contract.

                What we need to be doing is expanding our community, making people realize this is all of our problems, and convincing the larger whole to collectively do something about this. Make them realize it’s not the Black Panthers or the Cartel at risk, far from it, it will be them and their picket fence next, it will be their hedges, their children’s education, their freedoms, because we are all at risk.

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                  Open carry isn’t open warfare. Where are you getting that. The BPPFSD is solidly leftist. The original group were Marxist, and weren’t accelerationist. Hate to break it to you, all anarchist are fine with this sort of self defense. 100% left anarchist like myself support this and the panthers.

                  Open carrying isn’t acceleration-ism or a call to violence. Quite the opposite. It’s to provoke them to think twice before their next murder. The fash will and have always been the ones to accelerate. California’s strict gun laws? All because a chimp’s co star turned fascist was afraid to see black men carrying and defending themselves. Not that they killed someone. Just that they were carrying.

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                  …I can tell you it is not open warfare.

                  Not yet .

                  That’s the problem with accelerationists like the BPP and right wing anarchists

                  If you are lumping the Black Panther Party in with right-wing anarchists you know little about the Black Panthers. I’m not going to debate you on this fact.

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          No one is carrying a fully automatic rifle there…forgot I got you tagged as an anti-gun bootlicker…

          Ignore this troll people.

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            Not that I’m against it, but the guy on the far right of the bottom picture claims his gun is a fully automatic shotgun in a video clip I watched.

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              Watch it again, he says it’s a semi-automatic shotgun. It looks like a RIA VR-80, or a Turkish clone. Either way, it’s not a full automatic, I’ve got a VR-80 and an 82, neither a full auto.

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          Nope. Their leader said it correctly, if you want to win against fascists you need to bring bigger guns than they have. It’s working so far.

          Didn’t work out for Renee Good when she was being peaceful and said “I’m not mad at you” just to get shot in the face.

          Do you think any of the fascists would have dared to even approach her car if there were armed neighbours defending her?

          ICE are fucking cowards. Bigger guns are the way to deal with bullies.

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            That’s just defeatism. You don’t have bigger guns than the US Military. What you need to defeat fascism is widespread support for your cause. History has shown this countless times.

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        How what? How are they keeping ICE out?

        In MN they’re suing the DHS, moving education to remote platforms, they’re also voting on legislature enshrining US Citizens rights to sue the ICE and they’ve launched an online form for people to report unlawful ICE activity. They’ve de-anonymized Jonathan Ross who shot and killed Renee Good, there is a strong push for criminal charges against him.

        MN Governor Tim Walz has been talking about the exact scale and operations of the ICE invasion and informing the public that they’re going door to door, entering without judicial warrants. Walz has repeatedly publicly stated that this occupation needs to end immediately .

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          Who is going to enforce lawsuits?

          They’ve de-anonymized Jonathan Ross

          This was a hotel employee, not a cronie.

          MN Governor Tim Walz has been talking about the exact scale and operations of the ICE invasion and informing the public

          Not declaring a state of emergency, and employing anti terrorists tactics planned after 9/11 to prevent these sorts of over reaches. Informing is good. But not enough. Esp. after natives were abducted.


          Philadelphia isn’t Minnesota, so I was confused as hell as to why you wouldn’t support vanguard American actions. Minnesota doesn’t have a BBP.

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    As the local right wing troll, of course I respect their right to armed demonstration, its pretty based even though I want illegals out.

    They’re also demonstrating peacefully, unlike the convicted child rapist who got shot because he shot at kyle Rittenhouse, because Rittenhouse put out his dumpster fire with an extinguisher.

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      Point of order:

      The convicted pedophile didn’t shoot at Kyle, Joseph Rosenbaum attempted to take the rifle from Kyle while chasing him. A shot was fired in a nearby crowd during the chase just before Rosenbaum was shot, but it’s unclear who fired it, or what direction it went, it may have been Rosenbaum’s friend Ziminski (sp), but that’s speculation, and Rosenbaum himself was unarmed (and trying to become armed). It was still self defense, but facts are facts. Gaige Grosskreutz (now named something else that starts with P P I don’t remember) was the felon illegaly in possession of a firearm that got his bicep blown off which you may be confusing with Rosenbaum. He had a felony burglary conviction however and some Domestic Violence, not pedo like Rosenbaum, and also didn’t get a shot off.

      Rosenbaum also did start the dumpster fire at the gas station, but fun fact it wasn’t Kyle that put it out, it was another armed dude in similar clothing, seen in the video where Rosenbaum is yelling “shoot me n-word, shoot me n-word.”

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      Imagine defending Rittenhouse, who is too fucking stupid to get into the military.

      As someone who gets paid to help people pass the ASVAB, the questions are shit like “pencils cost .10 and Bob has 4 dollars. How many pencils can Bob buy.” Imagine not even making the 31 for infantry.