• jet@hackertalks.com
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    I feel like we’re lacking the initial message here, the religious person was responding to.

    Throwing that priest rape strawman at the end, is a rhetorical tool, but clearly is not addressing whatever the religious person was talking about. So this shit post is disingenuous, and a logical fallacy what about ism.

    If we’re going to deconstruct people’s positions, we should at least be honest about it, and give the original context

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      the original commenter expressed religion is necessary for a ‘moral anchor’, and that isn’t true, and that’s what this is about.

      anybody who throws up religion as a catch-all for solving problems is just asking for examples of religion causing problems.

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        What was the context that the original commenter was responding to?

        Were they responding to studies where children and young people brought up in communities with a sense of self-identity have better outcomes? Religion could be a stand-in for community involvement.

        Responding to somebody’s comment in a vacuum, is disingenuous, it misses the context, and we could be missing the entire point. We don’t have enough data.

        And most importantly, this method of rhetoric does not convert people to your position.

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          i don’t have access to that person’s thoughts, but the statement looks clear to me. there’s always more context, you could grind it down to the sub-atomic if you want.

          studies where children and young people brought up in communities with a sense of self-identity have better outcomes. Religion could be a stand-in for community involvement.

          this is the position you were angling for, so you could have said that. I don’t disagree with the first part exactly, but religion is not what I would choose as a stand-in. It’s more like a substitute for science and arts education, including basic philosophy.

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            I wasn’t angling for any religious position. I just think it’s unfair to take somebody’s comment out of context, slap a zinger on it, and then make a social media post about how you got’em.

            At best it’s lazy, at worst it’s misleading. it encourages sophistry.

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              As a kid, I had many legitimate questions about religion (my mother was very christian), and all of them got smothered with a simple “you’re too young, you wouldn’t understand / it’s too complex / you’re missing context”. Turns out, she was simply wrong about a shitload, and didn’t want to admit it.

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      The religious person made a pretty black and white comment. Maybe there is a lot of nuance in the context, but this comment has no nuance itself. It’s going from whatever context to making a general comment on the lack of religion and what it does to morality.

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        They said " That’s what lack of religion does to people"… So we’re missing the does in this context. We don’t know what they’re actually trying to say.

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      According to Google it’s a comment on an r/watchpeopledieinside post with a clip from this (prank) video. I don’t know which part of the video was clipped since the post is deleted but… yeah. Even if it wasn’t a prank, looks like it’s just people malding over promiscuity.