• greedytacothief@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      20 days ago

      More than that, I’m surprised that there are Christians that can read the whole Bible and say that the whole thing should be taken as literally true. But also believe that you don’t have to learn anything about the cultures that wrote the thing to understand what it’s saying. No wonder Americans can only read at a 6th grade level.

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      Nothing more threatening to the power of the proletariat than [checks notes] the proletariat voting.

      Like, if we managed to implement a legit socialist state by our current state of bourgeois democracy, as unlikely as that is, the chance of capitalists just ‘returning’ because people vote in a semi-screwed system is pretty fucking unlikely

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        Why would it be unlikely every society is going to experience tragedies and down turns. Just then need a strong man backed by a bunch of money. Also think about it. Actually making everyone OK DOES actually cost money. That means that at least some extra taxes are taken from regular people to ensure that those less fortunate or less intelligent or capable are taken care of.

        This means there is legit cause for 50%+ of the population to grumble. If everyone is insane to imagine themselves a billionaire most can easily imagine themselves in the top half who would have more if they didn’t have to support those insert negative stereotype here.

        This is ultimately an insane complaint because ultimately a re-alignment back towards today would involve taking far more from the common man to give to the rich than returning what is taken from the common man and the vast majority would be worse off but the average person is a moron.

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          This means there is legit cause for 50%+ of the population to grumble.

          Should the government not be ran according to the consent of the governed? The solution is not less democracy.

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            No no no you just don’t get it: a rational dialect-materialist examination of civilization proves that our social and economic development is constantly evolving due to unshakable opposing forces.

            But if we throw all that away and install a Red Proletariat© government then everything somehow collapses into a happy representative system that is totally stable and can never change. Don’t ask any more questions or you’re a counter-revolutionary.

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        if we managed to implement a legit socialist state by our current state

        How will that happen tho

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      Marx loved democracy. He viewed it as the most stable path to communism.

      We’re seeing this play out more and more in Scandinavia.

      Its never been observed in any self proclaimed communist nation with an authoritarian state. Probably because authoritarianism is antithetical to the principles of communism.

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          Scandinavian countries objectively embody the teachings of Marx greater than any autocratic self proclaimed country.

          This is simply reality.

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            Yeah, scandinavian countries who allow corporations to exploit and kill workers in africa so they can fund pensions. Right

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      Without democracy, you simply create a new ruling class. Workers had no say in the Soviet Union, even less than they had in the US back then.

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      Yes but the alternative is no democracy. Democracy is flawed even when operating correctly, but it the greatest equalizing tool humanity has ever invented, and Marx recognized it