Remembering to look for and ignore folks with that telltale indicator has made the fediverse so much more enjoyable.
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You know what’s funny is .ml was one of the first instances I signed up for. I thought it stood for machine learning or something to do with programming.
I knew it was a leftist instance. I went into it (naively) excited to engage with a more thoughtful leftist internet space, considering it was a bunch of reddit exiles who were upset about heavy handed Reddit censorship. I was quite disappointed to learn quickly that it was just more of the same tankie brain rot, with more of the same tankie censorship you can find in a thousand different tedious places.
Even then I stuck with it for a bit. And then I learned that the head admin was potentially the most fragile person on the Internet, who literally will not post outside his own instance because he cannot handle any internet where he does not have (what he believes to be) a “win argument” ban button. It is literally so cringe, I cannot stand to be associated with it, and I don’t understand how other people tolerate being associated with his antics.
MLs are essentially incapable of arguing in good faith. You know how Christians quote to bible to “prove” their religion is true? MLs are the political version of that.
I opened a thread just yesterday and the top comment was “I recommend you read this article if you want to know what Noam Chomsky is really like”. It was upvoted. I like to learn things, and don’t really listen to a lot of Chomsky. So I started reading.
It was the most uneducated, biased, ragebait crap I’d ever seen posted to the fediverse. I started mentally building my reply about how “people are saying” is the worst kind of fallacy, and providing a quote from someone else with a different opinion doesn’t count as opposing evidence. I actually got a little upset, disillusioned even, wondering how anyone could fall for this idiotic “argument”. I didn’t agree or disagree with any point, but it was just so poorly made.
I went to reply, thinking I should provide some warning, then I noticed I was in an ml community. I’m mobile, so it sometimes doesn’t show the community until I’ve clicked (I know I can change that in the settings). I considered posting anyway, but it felt so fruitless. It feels like they’re either sheep or assets. I moved on. I feel better getting to let it out here instead.
I haven’t read a single exchange with a .ml tankie that hasn’t been utterly juvenile roleplay nonsense with no desire to engage with reality, I don’t give them any amount of my attention or even irritation, if kids wanna do roleplay stuff between games of Hearts of Iron 4, they can, but other instances should ban roleplay outside of their specific circle-jerking forum.
As someone leaning ML, this makes me feel like I haven’t argued with my own side in a while… Or I am less ML than I think I am…
I have an ML account and usually just jump back and forth between .world local posts and .ml local posts and I swear I’m not seeing all this hostility people talk about anywhere
… we don’t?
I literally can’t do what the meme suggests, because I’ve already blocked all users from that instance automatically.
You might try slrpnk.net for what you were looking for. I guess you know that by now, but in case anyone else is reading and thinking similarly.
excited to engage with a more thoughtful leftist internet space
considering it was a bunch of reddit exiles who were upset about heavy handed Reddit censorship
Lmfao. What’s leftism to you?
Tankies are lefties alright. Just braindead ones
Braindead is when you deviate one millimeter from western capitalist state propaganda
You can deviate without lapping up Kremlin propaganda
Five communists got enjailed in Ufa last week for reading Lenin. Being pro-USSR and anti-USA+EU doesnt equate with being pro-Russian Republic
You were defending the Russian republic just two days ago need i remind you
I’ve got an ml account too, but at the time I think world was normal. I think world has also gone the Reich way.
there some .ml accounts that just talking about tech, i assume that what it is originally for, but it was co-opting by hard left politics at some point.
wait, what does it stand for?
Technically it is the top-level domain name for Mali.
I’m fairly certain that the Lemmy devs chose it because of their two favorite socialists/communists: Marx and Lenin. But I can’t find a reference to that right now.
Marx was a socialist political philosopher, that helped define the social end goal of communism. Lenin was a militant revolutionary that thought he could ignore Marx’s slow natural social evolution to communism. And force it under authoritarian boot heel. He was aspirationally communist at best, but not communist. His ideology has failed to achieve it everywhere it was tried. Generally, creating a new class of Petit Bourgeoisie or even collapsing into open fascism.
Other than that you are correct. Lemmy.ml hexbear.ml and lemmygrad.ml all chose the Mali TLD because of the abbreviation.
Just like .TV domain is actually Tuvalu but Twitch and other livestreaming sites use it as abbreviation. These countries actually make a lot of money from selling top level domains like that.
Yes though I thought I remembered reading something a few years ago about them reclaiming them. But hard to turn down money.
That is such a simplification that it is probably wrong.
Marx did not really concern himself with the ultimate goal of communism. His great achievement was his analysis of capitalism. Marx did not describe a slow evolution toward communism, but rather a process in which the contradictions he identified in capitalism culminate in revolution. No evolution! The few times he commented on communism, he described its prerequisites. He writes in the Communist Manifesto “In depicting the most general phases of the development of the proletariat, we traced the more or less veiled civil war, raging within existing society, up to the point where that war breaks out into open revolution, and where the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie lays the foundation for the sway of the proletariat.”
Lenin’s approach was enormously successful in some respects. After the October Revolution, the USSR underwent unprecedented industrial development, which greatly improved the living conditions of most people. In general, the argument that “it has never worked before” is very problematic. For some strange reason, communist countries have always found themselves under massive attack from capitalist countries. For example, by Hitler’s Germany or the US. Inconceivable sums of money were invested by global capital and its states to show “that communism does not work.” If it really hadn’t worked, none of that would have been necessary. That still applies today. Lenin was a right-wing, authoritarian communist and was rightly criticized for this by people like Rosa Luxemburg. But economically, things were improving so rapidly that capitalist states became increasingly concerned. The fear was so great that capitalists in the US even agreed to the New Deal. Something similar happened in Europe.
ML does not stand for Marx and Lenin, but for Marxism-Leninism. A propagandistic self-description of the system of the Soviet Union under Stalin. Another word for it is Stalinism.
Lenin was a militant revolutionary that thought he could ignore Marx’s slow natural social evolution to communism
Huh, I never thought I’d encounter an actual Menshevik on Lemmy.
Please tell me through materialist historical analysis: without a strong vanguard party pushing for rapid collectivization in 1929 in pursuit of industrialization, and the rapid industrialization (15% GDP growth per year) between 1929 and 1941, what would have happened to all peoples standing between Berlin and the Urals?
Have you read either Marx or Lenin?
A more important question is, did you think critically about what you read. And compare it to actually historical outcomes. Not just take it as dogma. Why do you think the Soviet people ultimately rejected the party Etc. At least symbolically. Why did former vassal States often demolish former Soviet monuments. Did they not read enough Lenin. Or had they lived it.
Unlike the states built around Lenin’s ideology. I believe people should absolutely be allowed to read about opposed ideologies and even organize around them. If they reject you, generally that means you aren’t filling their needs or are being a net burden. Though I also generally reject the idea of, or need for the state entirely. Far too much concentration and corruption. Whether it’s technically left or right.
I did think critically about what I read, and it’s astounding how many predictions that they made came true. For instance the monopolisation of whole sectors of industries was a really specific prediction to make in Marx’ time when nearly every town had their own manufacturers but look at us today with the global food supply controlled by only a handful of corporations.
And the majority of its citizens did not reject the Soviet Union. It was dissolved against the will of the people. Why do you think the CPRF is the second largest political party still today? Why did other communist parties fare so well in the elections after the dissolution? Why did NATO need to systematically destroy Yugoslavia if the people largely disagreed with the system?
Also, I’m gonna be very honest with you here, your statements about Marx and Lenin when you clearly didn’t read them make you look rather silly. As an example, it is widely accepted that abandonment of vanguardism caused the collapse of the SU. Therefore it was in fact abandonment of Leninism that caused the collapse. Vindicating Marxism-Leninism. If we’re talking about comparisons to historical outcomes… And his view on the “free press” still hold up today, in particular when viewed from the side opposing the gaza genocide.
Leninism is the only noncapitalist ideology actually practiced, so I wouldn’t really call it failed. China, Korea, Vietnam, Cuba and Venezuela are the most prominent examples of course.
I can only recommend, once again, Comrade Cowbees introductory reading list. In particular Marx as viewed by Lenin himself.
Nah, they chose it because the ccTLD along with few others had been free for a long time. I was there when lemmy was just a few months old.
Someone made up these reference about marx/lenin claim and was perfect for wankies to circle jerk and the tankies didn’t refute it or went along with it, so it stuck.
Before that the free domains were mostly used for spam/phishing (because it was free and being similar to .mil), some called it machine learning, my links, my library and so on. US military sent lots of emails to this cctld because of unchecked typo.
Except lemmy (& maybe reddit? to detract people from the fediverse), the .ml domain is not considered marxlenin anywhere else.
https://dev.to/bauripalash/lets-get-your-own-free-domain-5f16
https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/18/us_military_mali_email_typos/
Moron liberation
Marxist Leninist
They use it to mean Marxist Leninism, although it also does mean Machine Learning and Mali
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You just reminded me of Ween’s masterpiece album, ’ The mollusk’
Maoist Lemmy
i’m a leftist and have an ml acct. but it’s like there is no engagement or linking or such - i dunno. i’m a newb.
You’d be hard pressed to find many on the fediverse that aren’t some flavor of leftist.
But yes. A lot of instances defederated from the .ml ones for the same reasons ml were generally blocked and banned from similar sites in the past. Which ironically led to the start of Lemmy and the link aggregation portion of the fediverse in the first place.
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Similarly I also thought that, but chose the national instance instead.
Yep. I made an account there. Got banned for having an opinion that was in direct conflict with the propaganda shared there.
My .ml experience:
- Have a different opinion
- Get banned for rule 2
- See what rule 2 is
- Respect other opinions
I’m pretty sure I’m banned from .ml.
Badge of honour.
Yep. They’re afraid factual reality might infect their little flock of frightened chicks so they inoculate the entire hen house with “Rule 1” bullshit. Meanwhile, they have no problem allowing vitriol and hatred to spew from their own loyalist goons. And those goons are able to take advantage of the free speech that all the other instances practice because they know that lemmy admins are flaccid an ineffective tools.
.ml needs to be defederated. Let them cry about it in their own little echo chamber.
I’m not even a particularly principled commenter.
Pretty much all I do is shitpost.
I’m jealous. I have them defederated but I wish I could disconnect from all their users.
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- see what rule 2 is
- wonder why that applies
The .world experience:
- Have different opinion
- Provide evidence for said opinion
- Get a spam of 15 different accounts calling you anywhere from 7 different slurs to Russian troll/bot
- Get banned for “tankie”
- See how Zionists don’t get banned despite defending an ongoing genocide
“evidence”
A 150 page conspiracy theory ain’t a prove. Also defending Israels crimes against humanity is not the same as advocating for a reasonable solution.
“Conspiracy theory” for libs is anything that deviates from western state propaganda.
To paraphrase Michael Parenti: teachers and farmers, when they unionize they meet in rooms, and discuss their interests, goals, their plans and their actions to reach these goals, what propaganda they need to create, this is obvious to everyone. But when I suggest that the rich and powerful do the same, they call me a conspiracy theorist.
Lol tankies will take everything from Putin and xi and eat it up like it is the eternal truth.
If you can’t admit that, then you are not better than the consumers of said “western state propoganda”. At least they get to think for themselves.
“Michael Parenti = le evil Asiatic country!!!”
I dunno that dude.
My problem is not with “evil asian countries”
Tankies love the russian and Chinese governments and take everything they say at face value. (.ml instance owner is pro-russia iirc). They are not socialist or communist, but authoritarians. Support for them is what irks me, not the socialist ideals.
A .ml admin even defended North Korea.
Ok, I’ll try and explain the way I see it using an example.
We, in the west, live in a bubble of western propaganda, the same way people in Russia live in a bubble lf Russian propaganda and people in China live in a bubble of Chinese propaganda. Let’s even disregard for a moment the fact that the USA, through arts, films and music, being the largest economic and therefore cultural hegemon of the past century up to today, has influence over everyone else.
When Russia started the war against Ukraine, the Russian propaganda gave as a casus belli to its population the “information” that Ukraine was genociding Russians in Eastern Ukraine. These affirmations stem from the Ukrainian civil war happening since 2014, in which the government and some pro-Russian rebels were fighting in eastern Ukraine, so the Russian government leveraged this and the fact that Russian as a language was removed from the studying plans in Eastern Ukraine, and made big claims of genocide of Russians, propagated all over Russian media. To many Russians within this bubble, all the reputable news sources, journalists, institutions and human right organizations, were giving this information, so they naturally believed it, and if people contradict this, they’re genocide deniers!
As a westerner: what should I do? Take the genocide claims at face value because otherwise I’m a genocide denier? No. I should look at the situation, look, importantly, at independent journalistic work and material evidence coming from the region, and reach a conclusion based on evidence and not on “claims”. There are plenty of Russian testimonies in Russian TV of how they were tortured in Ukraine, how they weren’t allowed to speak their language, how they were bombed for years by Ukraine… But those are just that, testimonies without material evidence. So, do I believe the claims? No, I don’t, I don’t believe Russians were being genocided in eastern Ukraine. I believe that Ukraine, much like my own country of Spain in Catalonia, was violating the right to self determination of people in Eastern Ukraine, and Russia amplified these claims by a factor of 10 and called it a genocide. I’ve seen with my own eyes with the information, independent journalistic work, and video and photographic evidence, what genocide looks like as is being carried out In Palestine, and nothing like that has been proven for Russians In Eastern Ukraine.
I can now repeat this analysis for the western claims of genocide of Uyghurs in Xinjiang by the Chinese government, and reach the same conclusion that nothing remotely like in Palestine is happening, so there is no Uyghur genocide. Is this “taking Chinese propaganda at face value”?
See how Zionists don’t get banned despite defending an ongoing genocide
Are they really Zionists, though? I’ve been accused multiple times (twice yesterday and once today) of allegedly supporting genocide. I can actually point out people in the comments here crying Nazi at everyone they disagree with.
This whole “you genocide sympathiser!” shit is getting old. It’s cheap mud-slinging without basis.
To .ml users, being for a two state solution or even a one state Bosnia and Herzegovina type solution, while acknowledging that there is a genocide against Palestinians going on, still makes you a Zionist. Even being non-Zionist stills makes you a Zionist in the eyes of a .ml user.
Yes, there are Zionists in Lemmy. Anyone believing that Israel as an ethnostate in stolen land has the right to exist is a Zionist. Plenty of people believing that
Not in my experience. Those are few and in between, and highly downvoted. The rest of the time, it’s empty accusations to try to win an argument by vilifying and poisoning the well. The times I’ve been accused have never been in earnest or good faith.
Well people who make the same excuses as fascists and make excuses for crimes against humanity deserve to be banned, regardless if they are Marxist-Leninist or nazi.
I’ll agree when you fight for the abolition of all western countries for their crimes against humanity.
Why abolition? There are some countries that need reappraisal of their past and need to compensate for it, however it is much more necessary for China, Russia, DPRK and the US. UK also to an extent. EU less so.
All you ever do is defend psychotic dictators and criticize the West when stuff aint as black and white as you pretend it is.
I at least am able to criticize the West just as much as any other country, because yes, western countries could do better. But China, Russia and DPRK aren’t better. I want socialism without the ML bullshit. I want socialism with a human face.
Laugh my fucking ass out. You libs are so oblivious to the countless sins committed by the west. As late as 1960 France was butchering some million Algerians for the unforgivable sin of wanting independence, but sure, China, the country which carried out the greatest industrial revolution and elimination of poverty the world has yet seen, is so much worse.
Last time I checked, there were still not few people living in abject poverty in China and a shitload of people being worked for less than a living wage. Also whats with the rooftop safety nets at Chinese factories. Also China has like the second most billionaires in the world. What kind of “socialist” state is fine with having billionaires?
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The best jokes have a lot of truth to them!
I was wondering why so many tankies dominated that instance.
ML meaning “Marxist-Leninists” makes so much more sense now.
What a bunch of assholes.
it actually stands for country of Mali but tankies are right there engaging in imperialism and failing to see the irony lol
The best part. ML losers got the domain because “paying 5$ a year for TLD is capitalism!” and then in 2023 free .ml domains were discontinued because surprise surprise - it was a stupid idea lmao
What a bunch of mega losers lemmy.ml is.
idk what the instance fuss is about and i dont care
edit 8 days later: i get it now. .ml mods can suck my dick
.nl
me everytime ahaha
Idgi, what’s the deal with .nl?
In terms of the actual characters used to write it,
.nlis very close to.mlAh, just purely a joke then, carry on! :-)
Solid rule: verify the source before the outrage. Saves your blood pressure and your feed.
I usually try and block all .ml users I can see. It’s like a fun little whack-a-troll game.
The tell-tale indicator is the post itself, not the instance.
I’ll make my own judgments, thank you.Whenever braininabox shows up, you know it’s about to get a little Rule 2 in here
They are my favorite rage baiter. Just ask them how they really feel or about a policy and watch them helplessly try and doge.
me, a shitjustworks based fucker
Says the .World-ers
.world has its share of awful and part of why I rock piefed, but I chalk a lot of that up to essentially being the default instance.
There is some slight irony to the idea that hardline .ml users consider themselves champions of the proletariat, while so vehemently disagreeing with the “normie” instance where most of the people are.
.world is far from perfect though, I’ll agree. I’m mainly just here because Lemmy.ml (the first instance recommended to me) rejected my application, while .world (the second one recommended to me) allows everyone.
“The masses are the real heroes, while we ourselves are often childish and ignorant, and without this understanding, it is impossible to acquire even the most rudimentary knowledge.” - Mao Zedong
I still don’t know what any of this means
I never know the difference between all these Lemmy instances and why some communities are full of insane people
Racist people hang out with racist people. Sexist people hang out with sexist people
People are absolutely fucking amazing at self segregation with out realizing it.
It’s actually pretty simple, they’ve inadvertently self segregated.
So the dudes who maintain the code for Lemmy, which is a framework that most of these instances are built off of, are what we call “Tankies” because they support the Chinese dictatorship, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, etc. They’re the “Communists” with emphasis on the quotation marks, so to speak. They oppose “Capitalist” countries which are any western nation that stands in the way of expansion. They oppose “Liberals” as they claim it’s a “Capitalist” ideology but actually because it’s the ideology of promoting human rights which conflict with their ideal form of government.
Now, I mentioned those dudes maintain the code, they also maintain the landing page where a lot of people are first exposed to a list of lemmy servers to pick from. Other frameworks are being developed right now so we can move away from Lemmy, such as Piefed which is the backbone for Piefed.social and Piefed.world but they’re still missing a couple of features.
For example the instance you and me are on, Lemmy.world , is also run by Piefed.world hosts but the lemmy.world allows attaching images to comments while Piefed.world lacks that functionality as of yet, though they did recently update to a new version. Our instance is one of many defederated from Hexbear and Stalingrad, which are the same Tankies as ML but with the masks off, they unapologetically promote Xi Jinping and Putin, so those users cannot interact with our posts or comments at all, but it still remains federated with Lemmy.ml sadly as that’s the lemmy instance where news about the framework and updates come from.
The reason why all of this is happening is because somebody is paying for it. Some lonely internet users in the west are funding a place to go, while some military regimes are funding it because it’s a psyop made to promote their goals and create radical infighting in the west. The fediverse is everything great about other social medias with less of the cons except for the fact that we completely lack the ability to defend it from hostile actors in ways that a large corporation with unlimited resources and centralized detection algorithms could (if they even would).
It really raises eyebrows when you come across users who have posted nothing but aggressively anti-US anti-NATO anti-EU stuff for several years straight. No other interests. Nobody talks about politics nonstop. Nobody. It’s straight up bizarre.
Lemmy ml even has a rule of “don’t call us Russian bots or we’ll ban you”
You have now been permanently banned from lemmy.ml
Well said. I can name quite a few that I’m sure everyone is familiar with.
Yeah it’s bizarro. My own post history usually reads more like something out of r/rimjob_steve so whenever I notice that sort of consistent political narrative I tend to suspect alt accounts lol
It really raises eyebrows when you come across users who have posted nothing but aggressively anti-US anti-NATO anti-EU stuff for several years straight
How does opposing the most evil empire in the world raise any eyebrows? If somebody consistently posted pro-Palestine content only, would you make the same claim?
I could see some arguments for the US, (and even those are likely to be short sighted and naive), but the EU?
The EU is as guilty as the US. It participated in Afghanistan, Iraq, the bombing of Libya, the one of Yugoslavia, and European countries maintain neocolonial relations with the global south, whose people and resources they exploit.
France, the country that in the 1960s murdered a million Algerians who wanted independence, right now upholds the CFA in 14 countries in Africa, meaning these 14 countries have no monetary sovereignty and their central banks are located in Paris. To maintain these schemes, France has troops stationed in Africa, ensuring that only governments loyal to the desires of France get “protection”.
Many African independence and democracy activists have been murdered by EU plots to maintain the neocolonial schemes in their countries. All of the EU countries have maintained full economic and diplomatic relations with Israel during the ongoing genocide, and some like Estonia have gone as far as opening their first Israeli embassy a few months ago.
You can find skeletons everywhere. The idea that Europe is the worst on the basis of what you list as one country having what looks footnote like compared to for instance, the USA or China, is bizarre. Seems like hyper focus on their faults due to being partial to the others.
If “European neocolonialism” is a footnote to you, you’re not rational and the discussion is pointless.
Yeah, I think I can just say yes
You can have causes. You can talk about politics
But if you’re not occasionally making a joke or responding to the puppy girls, why are you actually here?
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The experience is very different. It’s like going to the club with a group of people
You’re going to have a lot more positive interactions if you choose wisely, and a lot more negative ones if you don’t. You’re still going to the same place, with all the same people, but it’ll hit different
How about you make it a central part of your life? Wouldn’t that be cool?
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This is politics imo. Where’s the corn?
Literally isn’t. It’s about people having insane, radical, or uncompromising/unrealistic opinions and being unwilling to accept others also having differing opinions.
You may not know this, but there is an option to block instances in the settings
Not the users though. I have .ml blocked, which means communities hosted there (therefore moderated by them) don’t show up. However I still have to read their tankie comments.
And they can vote on your content, reply to you, send you DMs, triggering notifications, etc. The “instance block” doesn’t really block much at all…
Moving to PieFed is about the only realistic way to be able to block all users from an instance. (Otherwise there’s Sync and Connect, neither of which are updated iirc, and from there you start getting into custom uBlock Origin filtering rules… PieFed is just way easier, plus has tons of other features that Lemmy lacks and likely will either never have or at least will take many years to begin to catch up, at which point PieFed will continually have added even moar-er features… it’s a virtuous cycle:-)
piefed, i believe, can block all their posters as well.
Pretend it’s a little game called “whack-a-troll” and just block them as you see them. If everyone did this, eventually they have no one to annoy anymore.
And for some, that’s absolutely the best solution!
To me, the fediverse is already pretty small so I don’t like blocking and making it smaller. So, personally, my compromise is to see everything but consider the source before responding etc.
(And judicious use of piefed’s user note system; good ol’ vomitty face for the unpleasant non .ml folks and a big ol’ smile for the sane seeming .ml peoples!)
Can one block all users from said instances too, or is that not possible?
piefed, i believe, can do this
Can confirm this.
Is there a way through Voyager, or is it a web-only feature.
sorry, i don’t know. i don’t use Voyager.
There are ways but they are quite difficult. The Sync or Connect apps offer that, although I think they aren’t updated often iirc. Some exceedingly few instances have defederated from lemmy.ml, but none of the major ones. You can also get into customized uBlock Origin filtering rules, if you want…
Or just switch to PieFed, which has tons of features that Lemmy lacks. Like seriously, just tons and tons of them, and more keep being added practically weekly. Lemmy can or will not keep up, so it will fall behind and PieFed continue to pull ahead, watch and see. https://piefed.social/auth/instance_chooser
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted but here’s my internet point in solidarity.
The people who are most likely to become blocked by following my advice are well-known to be anti-choice (in the sense that they don’t want others to have the ability to block them). Which ironically is one of the best reasons to go ahead and do so.
Yeah, they’re the pop-up ads of people.
I don’t get it, why is that instance of lemmy bad?
The instance admins of lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml, who are also the developers of Lemmy, have a wide variety of harmful views including genocide denial, transphobia, and support for authoritarian regimes. They are incredibly ban-happy and spend an unreasonable amount of time removing dissenting opinion from their communities instead of developing the platform. They’ve got a bunch of people in a complete echo chamber where saying anything critical about their favourite regimes earns you a ban despite there being no rules against it. Their users tend to also be the genocide denying, authoritarian bootlicking type.
100% l. Well said.
including genocide denial
Wanting 1% the material evidence of the genocide in Palestine applied to other, western geopolitically convenient “genocides”, isn’t genocide denial.
transphobia
Transphobia shouldn’t be tolerated, you’re free to move to hexbear where the slightest transphobia gets anyone banned
support for authoritarian regimes
Criticizing the mainstream western position on China is not support for authoritarianism. Support for authoritarianism is doing bothsideism while one side is the biggest oppressor on the face of the earth, which happens to be the side where you live.
Why on earth would I go to Hexbear when I’ve already made it pretty clear I have a strong distaste for .ml? Hexbear is full of the very same pro-authoritarian types and that instance has an awful reputation for brigading and harassing communities. I’ve seen this myself the numerous times they attempted to federate with other instances, my own included. No thanks.
I think the problem is how authoritarian it is. It feels like living in Russia or china. If you say anything bad about china, russia, NK, or the moods you are attacked like you are the anticrist and banned.
From my experience I would risk to say many of those accounts are not even “real” people just a lot of ccp or kremlin police. Really zero freedom to express any ideas or even debate
The reason it looks so very similar to the Alt-Right, is because it basically is.
To you, opposing genocide in Palestine and wanting to end US supremacy and western imperialism looks very similar to the Alt-Right.
Your problem is that you don’t care when it’s the west oppressing people
Not at all. If you don’t want anyone to be opressed I would support but anyone knows about reeducation camps, ukranian invasion and I’m not even going to comment on nk… that is just absurd. I’m not defending us just because I don’t agree with other peoples oppresion
Btw I’m not american! Just a decent human that want other humans to be free.
You support western colonialism which is orders of magnitude worse than anything you mentioned.
who said that? I literally JUST said the opposite. You ate inputing in me an idea that it’s not mine. That’s a you problem.
“I live in the most powerful and harmful empire but I reject any system opposing it” amounts to supporting it
Keep building that strawman and knocking it down.
Yeah, it’s absolutely a pro-dictatorship pro-russian/chinese farm to get their bot accounts comments, upvotes, etc, to push misinformation.
Literally got banned today for saying Putin should pull out of Ukraine and china has live organ farm harvesting in Xin Jiang province.
Edit: spelling. According to some big brain thinkers if you make a typo in the name of the province where people are tortured, it miraculously never happened…
Literally got banned today for saying […] china has live organ farm harvesting in Xin Xiang province.
Well, good ban. Disinformation should be banned.
You also seem very concerned for the people of a province whose name you can’t correctly spell. Surely not concern trolling
That is unfortunately not disinformation, you can easily google it.
Western state propaganda disinformation is readily available in Google, unfortunately. No material evidence for this, only “anonymous interviews”. We’ve seen how trustworthy those are when manufacturing atrocity propaganda against US geopolitical adversaries.
“Anonymous Interviews”
https://thediplomat.com/2024/08/first-known-survivor-of-chinas-forced-organ-harvesting-speaks-out/
Hey look the third result is a named survivor in an interview.
The original comment talked about Xinjiang province, not about Falun Gong practitioners, whom are interviewed in your article.
Falun Gong is a cult, and it’s a political organization linked to Trump and to anti-Chinese propaganda. From Wikipedia:
The performance arts group Shen Yun and the media organization The Epoch Times are the major outreach organizations of Falun Gong.[5] Both promote the spiritual and political teachings of Falun Gong.[109][110][111] They and a variety of other organizations such as New Tang Dynasty Television (NTD) operate as extensions of Falun Gong. These extensions promote the new religious movement and its teachings. In the case of The Epoch Times, they also promote conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccine misinformation[112] and far-right politics in both Europe and the United States.[58][26][27] Around the time of the 2016 United States presidential election, The Epoch Times began running articles supportive of Donald Trump and critical of his opponents.[113][27] Falun Gong extensions have also been active in promoting the European radical right.
Are these the people whose testimonies on China you’ll be believing?
Racism, political extremism, and kinda just assholes.
Please tell me how .ml is racist, and not .world allowing Zionists unbanned
Love the user name! If you browse through the comments, other folks have had the same question answered.
They tend to be so frothing-at-the-mouth emphatically leftist that they’re indistinguishable from a CIA program to discredit the left. To be clear, I don’t think lemmy.ml is a CIA program, but I can’t imagine what they’d do differently if it were.
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