I was just perusing the modlog when I noticed something interesting. Apparently posting news about Gaza/Palestine is not allowed on !worldnews@sh.itjust.works. I decided to check the side bar and didn’t see anything. The only pinned post also does not indicate that this is not allowed

edit: the mod in question is @Eyekaytee@aussie.zone . sorry for not originally tagging. i hadn’t realized it was a rule that this must be done. i thought it seemed inappropriate since i was trying to initiate a conversation about a community’s rules and culture rather than start drama about an individual

  • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
    72·
    5 months ago

    I’m locking this post. This discussion has run out of its course and this comm is not the place to argue politics. Take it elsewhere please.

  • mrdown@lemmy.world
    538·
    5 months ago

    That a scummy move from the mod. I made a new community where both siding occupation and genocide comments get removed !apologiafreenews@lemmy.world

    The two mods are too very known genocide supporters so no surprise here.

        • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          276·
          5 months ago

          Goat from ShitJustWorks, someone who is “highly interested in extremism” to use their own words. MeanwhileOnGrad is their main claim to fame here, which is an attempt to document the things Tankies talk about.

          It has been a host to users using Nazi dog whistles. Goat was on Voat, the Nazi clone of reddit made when Reddit banned some alt-rignt community, and got banned from it twice.

          Also tried to force guro (gore art for sexual stimulation/pleasure) onto some communities.

          • cm0002@sh.itjust.works
            94·
            5 months ago

            I see you make lots of claims about this, but have yet to see any receipts about these “Dog whistles” on MWoG

              • cm0002@sh.itjust.works
                63·
                5 months ago

                The Claim: “There’s Nazi/Racist dog whistles posted on MWoG”

                Me: “I have yet to see the evidence of The Claim, despite seeing The Claim numerous times, please provide your evidence”

                You: trolling attempt

                Meanwhile the person I asked for evidence of their claim: crickets

                • goferking (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
                  65·
                  5 months ago

                  You: trolling attempt

                  Oh we’re going this way, got it.

                  You saying you are not seeing it both does not mean it isn’t there and slightly tells on yourself

          • goat@sh.itjust.worksBanned from communityEnglish
            1517·
            5 months ago

            There have been no nazi dog whistles. But there has been antisemitism, one of which comes from a user active in this community.

            In this screenshot the user deleted their account of one-to-two years after I questioned why their response to antisemitism and holocaust denialism from Hamas was to shout zionist.

            I moderate !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works very strictly when it comes to dogwhistles and hate speech.

              • goat@sh.itjust.worksBanned from communityEnglish
                1410·
                5 months ago

                He was banned for a week, with the condition he does not use that term

                Now, a personal request, can you stop calling me a nazi? And my community nazis? It’s extremely hurtful. I have spent years challenging extremists of all kinds, from nazis to tankies to QAnons to religious fundamentalists. I have been banned from many far-right sites and communities for speaking against them. I helped shut down Ruqqus and /r/uncensorednews, which were crawling with neo-nazis. To then be called a nazi myself is deeply hurtful and untrue

            • mrdown@lemmy.world
              129·
              5 months ago

              How do you shamelessly lie about the meaning of zio. Anti zionism is not antisemitism no matter how much you try to say the opposite

              • goat@sh.itjust.worksBanned from communityEnglish
                1114·
                5 months ago

                Did you not read the screenshot?

                The user was insisting on using specifically “zio” – I offered them a chance that they didn’t know about “zio”, gave them a chance to use zionist or any other phrase, but they insisted on using the term coined by David Duke, leader of the KKK.

                • mrdown@lemmy.world
                  1110·
                  5 months ago

                  Zio is simply an abbreviation of Zionist . Just because kkk used the same term wrongly doesn’t mean that people saying zio support the KKK. Even the term antisemite was corned by someone who hated jews and conservatives hijacked the term woke so should we also stop using them. What a ridiculous claim you are saying

        • goat@sh.itjust.worksBanned from communityEnglish
          1613·
          5 months ago

          I moderate !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works, the largest anti-tankie community across all of Lemmy.

          This makes Tankies very upset, and they often lie about posts, such as this one, saying that I was the one removing these things.

          There have been no nazi dog whistles; that’s a lie. I moderate the community very strictly. There was also no guro art posted, no idea where that claim came from.

            • goat@sh.itjust.worksBanned from communityEnglish
              106·
              5 months ago

              This is antiyanks, a troll who follows me around all the time. Antiyanks regularly harasses random people for random reasons, he’s unfortunately mentally ill. He’s made a few hundred accounts and all admins and moderators have had their own stories of him. The dead children refers to the posts he’s made where he DMs me pictures of dead children.

              The gore community was going to be something like medical gore, an educational community about surgery and how healthcare workers handle trauma

          • mrdown@lemmy.world
            67·
            5 months ago

            You should be consistent and oppose Zionism which is the ideology behind the occupation of Palestine. I oppose both Russia and Israel because they are the colonial powers

              • mrdown@lemmy.world
                66·
                5 months ago

                We literally has a discussion about Zionism where I quoted Herzl writings that show that he supported displacing people to be able to create the state and you shamelessly say that he had no influence while Israel declaration of independence mentioned him as the spiritual father of the Jewish State and allowed other zinoists to spread their propaganda in your community

                • goat@sh.itjust.worksBanned from communityEnglish
                  88·
                  5 months ago

                  he had no influence

                  I was quoting you when you said the Grand Mufti, Amin al-Husseini, meeting with Adolf Hitler had little influence and is insignificant

        • goat@sh.itjust.worksBanned from communityEnglish
          1012·
          5 months ago

          well yeah, you’re larping that it was me lol

          you are the weird one

      • goat@sh.itjust.worksBanned from communityEnglish
        115·
        5 months ago

        I didn’t do this, I gave the community up months ago

          • goat@sh.itjust.worksBanned from communityEnglish
            75·
            5 months ago

            Modlog is public and you can see I no longer moderate or even comment in that community, I don’t care for it.

              • goat@sh.itjust.worksBanned from communityEnglish
                68·
                5 months ago

                why do you want me to leave the position and give it to ikt?

                • goferking (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
                  117·
                  5 months ago

                  Pointing out how I never said you did anything but that it’s your comm, and that would be what most people think has been done when said I gave it up

                  I didn’t do this, I gave the community up months ago

                  why do you want me to leave the position and give it to ikt?

                  You seem to not care at all about it but don’t want to give it up, odd

    • lumpenproletariat@quokk.auEnglish
      265·
      5 months ago

      Oh you’re that nutcase raging we didn’t ban someone for having an opinion you didn’t like? You literally claimed their post was a crime against humanity…

      • mrdown@lemmy.world
        1423·
        5 months ago

        Oh you’re that nutcase who consider victim blaming an opinion that should be respected

        Context for any other person interested : someone justified the mistreatment of the flotilla activists getting abused by saying the activists knew what would happen to them and that they are only doing a publicity stunt and the mods refused to remove it

        • lumpenproletariat@quokk.auEnglish
          273·
          5 months ago

          Here’s the real context.

          Op thinks this comment constitutes a literal human rights abuse and that the user should be banned.

          They also feel that telling this user to go kill themselves is fine and that the death threat should not have been removed

          • mrdown@lemmy.world
            88·
            5 months ago

            Have some shame. I said that it is victim blaming the people who got abused by Israel and that Israel did human right abuses.

            I never said that kill themselves is fine. either. Show the comment where I explicitly said it

        • Icytrees@sh.itjust.works
          151·
          5 months ago

          I’m gonna side with the other guy here. You know we can see the modlog right? All I gotta say is wow.

          • mrdown@lemmy.world
            59·
            5 months ago

            My modlog show that i critsized victim blaming the people who got abused by Israel and called to remove victim blaming

            • Icytrees@sh.itjust.works
              111·
              5 months ago

              It shows you generally being a dick to people you disagree with. One line even said “scums like you should be iced.”

              • mrdown@lemmy.world
                59·
                5 months ago

                I only insult people defending objectivly undefensible things like victim blaming, not people who simply disagree with me about subjectivd things. People like that are scums and i will not be politically correct about it. The other guy said i should be iced first and i simply repeated his rhetoric

      • mrdown@lemmy.world
        719·
        5 months ago

        From globalnews

        This type of comment is why I decided to create a new community for news. Instead of criticizing Trump, some people still cry about democrats losing the election. Those type of comments would directly be removed from my community and after 3 deleted comments it’s a ban

        • Scipitie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          16·
          5 months ago

          Just from an outside perspective:

          you’re playing the same game die a different side. What kind of consistent ruleset warrants a delete and ban for this?

          Power tripping for the right cause is still a powertrip.

          Edit: I just realize that just leaving it like this reads purely confrontational which was not my original inten:

          You can do better! If you want to have this kind of moderation that is actually fine in my book: as long as it’s transparent and consistent.

          The exact rule must depend on the answer to what kind of community you want to build. Openly progressive vs openly debating vs aggressively neutral for example.

          I know you can do it, because anyone who has the energy to take on this endeavor has the potential to grow ❤️.

          • mrdown@lemmy.world
            43·
            5 months ago

            Why should anybody tolerate people defending settler colonialism , occupation, genocide etc?

            • Scipitie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              4·
              5 months ago

              Because anything can be framed negative and without transparency about your personal ruleset on what those empty words mean it’s just Fox News brabble.

              It’s not about tolerating intolerance, not at all. It’s about transparent consistency. That’s what preventing the powertrip: rules that you create AND THEN OBEY. Doesn’t matter what those rules are. But if you’re definition of occupation suddenly matches Medicaid I’d the mrdown fan club then you need to support people discussing it.

              That’s the whole difference.

              Btw your sentence a bit changed is what the trump goons actually use at the moment: “why should anyone tolerate criminals?”. And those fuckers just declared anything they don’t like “illegal”.

              That’s what I’m asking: that everyone has the space to grow. That’s why I recommend you to create transparent rules that you obey yourself: to not become like those shitheads. Because they are full of people absolutely sure if themselves with no way to reflect, no way to think.

              • mrdown@lemmy.world
                43·
                5 months ago

                Actually it is you who use trump and maga rhetoric. Trump and maga are champions of claiming to be for freedom and speech yet censor other.

                Trump definition of criminals is so ridiculous. Israel is objectively supporting genocide and settler colonialism we have ton of idf whistleblower, human right reports including israeli ones , isrseli leaders genocidal statements. Same apply to russia

        • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comMEnglish
          151·
          5 months ago

          Let me get this straight. Do you want a news community where nobody can criticise the DNC for the terrible policy decisions that lost them the last election, and which they seem determined to carry through into the next election? I mean, have any Democrats have even admitted Israel is committing genocide in Gaza yet? The official party line continues to be full throated support for Zionism from both sides of the aisle.

          If you’re planning to go down that road you should just call it DNC/Hasbara approved news or something, so folks know what they are getting.

          There’s a reason leftists don’t bang on about Trump all the time. It’s because he’s a lost cause. He’s a literal fascist. Nobody on Lemmy needs convincing Trump is the worst US President in history. Imo convincing Dems they should lurch left instead of right (for once) could help win them the next election. But they just don’t want to listen, don’t want to change, and seem intent on ontracising the left instead of taking on board perfectly legitimate criticisms of the party’s leadership and policies.

          • mrdown@lemmy.world
            65·
            5 months ago

            I was not clear, the thing that would not be allowed in this screenshot would be the person defending Harris. The first comment i removed was someone defending Harris in relation to the genocide. I allow opinions, i don’t allow people defending objective terrible things like arming israel and support the genocide and settler colonialiam

          • mrdown@lemmy.world
            45·
            5 months ago

            It’s like saying banning neo Nazi or defending Hitler make me an echo chambers. How funny how you call that a shitlib when Harris is a lib and I don’t tolerate anybody defending people supporting Israel colonialism and other colonial powers like Russia

            • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
              31·
              5 months ago

              you want a news community where nobody can criticise the DNC for the terrible policy decisions that lost them the harris is not a LIBeral at all, lol.

        • goat@sh.itjust.worksBanned from communityEnglish
          49·
          5 months ago

          no I don’t like it when snark communities hold me responsible for anothers actions.

          if you have a trouble with the moderation go and take it up with them, not me

        • mrdown@lemmy.world
          114·
          5 months ago

          your are still the second mod of that community , you are still responsible

          • goat@sh.itjust.worksBanned from communityEnglish
            1011·
            5 months ago

            I gave the community away, and I don’t plan on moderating it. I’m remaining the head moderator in case of any potential drama or mod abuse from ikt.

            • mrdown@lemmy.world
              124·
              5 months ago

              I will wait for you to remove the other pro genocide mod for that community

              • goat@sh.itjust.worksBanned from communityEnglish
                718·
                5 months ago

                Why should I entertain any of your demands when you call me a nazi even though I’ve asked people not to say that because it’s hurtful?

                • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
                  151·
                  5 months ago

                  Look, I don’t know anything about you, and I’m not the person who said that, new to the thread, but you said you wanted to remain head moderator in case of mod abuse. We’re seeing mod abuse. It’s time to kick the other one out. Refusal after being made aware of this is approval if you want to remain head moderator to remove other mods for mod abuse.

                • mrdown@lemmy.world
                  73·
                  5 months ago

                  Don’t you mean eugenevdebs’s called you a nazi?

                  If you want to not remove him fine , don’t complain after that when people call you a zionist and anti Palestinian liberation person

        • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          158·
          5 months ago

          Yikes, sorry for thinking the community that you’re still a mod of was possibly you, especially after you’ve previously shown simular situations of banning people for things you don’t like.

          • goat@sh.itjust.worksBanned from communityEnglish
            1016·
            5 months ago

            I accept your apology, can you please edit a strikethrough of your previous comment?

    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
      5·
      5 months ago

      the politics commuity is equally as problematic, with regards to calling out jewish backers of israel, getting called nazi and antisemite, referring to as the “1930s” nazi speak. also i notice its ragebait reflects r/politics alot (blame this democrat),etc.

      • lumpenproletariat@quokk.auEnglish
        241·
        5 months ago

        Heads up, the mod in mention (ikt/eyekaytee) is extremely racist towards Aboriginal Australians and Muslims, as well as being a Zionist who supports the genocide in Gaza.

          • goat@sh.itjust.worksBanned from communityEnglish
            64·
            5 months ago

            that’s certainly the modlog history.

            I’m sure you want to correct the record in this thread that I’m unrelated to ikt’s actions. There are more comments referencing me than there are comments referencing ikt.

              • goat@sh.itjust.worksBanned from communityEnglish
                44·
                5 months ago

                I also notice that this post doesn’t meet the posting guidelines

                • There’s no mod/admin listed

                • There are only removed posts, no banned users.

                • There’s no screenshot showing the mod name

                • There’s an explanation for each removal

                • There’s no explanation as to why this is unfair.

                It also doesn’t meet some of the rules:

                • Quill didn’t receive any of these mod actions.

                • There are no mod names attached

                • The accused PTB also can’t respond

                Browsing through some of the posts across this community, very few actually meet the guidelines and rules. For the sake of transparency and the purpose of this community, shouldn’t the standards be much higher?

                • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netOPEnglish
                  9·
                  5 months ago

                  there is an explanation for why this is unfair: the rule is not explicitly stated anywhere. it seems outwardly to be something that was arbitrarily decided and never communicated. i tried to keep it very focused on that. i’m sorry i messed up on this post in some regards, i will amend my post some more when i’m at my computer and can add more screenshots.

                  i was actually really trying to keep the focus on that this community is a problem instead of turning this into a “everyone point fingers!” time. it seemed to me like since this is the world news community with the second most subscribers like it would be a likely place for newcomers to lemmy to go looking for this content. i saw at the time the most recent post was from the last 24 hours, idicating to me that it was still active.

                  my first comment in this whole thread was drawing attention to other communities people might want to subscribe to to elevate their visibility and encourage users to subscribe to them, elevating their profile. i was less concerned with ikt defending themselves since i think they’ve made their stance abundantly clear through their actions and more concerned with limiting the damage done by a community that appears atop the list due to its subscriber account since everything is political and everything is propaganda.

                  for full disclosure, i think israel’s genocide of the Palestinian people rises to the level of being world news, relevant to everyone. if it were me and i were subscribed to this comm, i’d want to unsubscribe and find other comms to join to increase their visibility rather than stay connected to a wavelength that presents a skewed view of the world via omission.

                  i’m less interested in reforming heavily propagandized people on a presence platform than i am on limiting the damage they can do. over the years i’ve reached the conclusion that the internet is not a free forum for discussion, but a great huge alleyway covered in posters. our role, as the people in that alleyway, is to make sure our view has presence so that later someone can perform the verbal confirmation that actually shifts views in the propaganda formula.

                • Blaze@lazysoci.alEnglish
                  4·
                  5 months ago

                  There are only removed posts, no banned users.

                  Doesn’t that fall under “other sanctions”?

                  What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?

                  Post only about bans or other sanctions that you have received from a mod or admin.

    • germanichwurst@feddit.orgBanned
      101·
      5 months ago

      Noooo you gave your community to the other genocide propagandist?

      He’s your desk mate isn’t he?

    • starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works
      33·
      5 months ago

      The only instances this instance defederated from were hexbear and exploding heads, hexbear for just being toxic under every single thread. I would see under a post of the uyghur genocide “China incapable of avoiding human rights violations” and people saying “capitalist bootlicker, kys.” Just really unpleasant and a waste of everyone’s time and energy… I can probably find evidence if you want I just generally avoid toxic behavior so I just stopped reading it. Meanwhileongrad is a sneer comm, I blocked it a long time ago. It’s really cringe to spend your time looking for people to make fun of…

      Imo very bad faith to say this instance hates communists or socialists, most people here want to implement communist and socialist ideas and hate capitalism. But saying “china is extremely racist and commits human rights violations” and “Russia is trying to be a conquerer” = you hate communism and socialism.

      I want more communist policies. I want more socialist policies. I can think China and Russia are doing evil things while still hating capitalism.

    • goat@sh.itjust.worksBanned from communityEnglish
      58·
      5 months ago

      its really all up to you. i don’t mind the instance, though it is pretty outdated and tends to be slow at times

      • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
        15·
        5 months ago

        That’s actually the fault of the modlog. It should not be showing a display name instead of their username.

        • Zagorath@aussie.zoneEnglish
          7·
          5 months ago

          IMO it’s primarily a fault of Lemmy for even allowing users to do that, and secondarily of users for using it in a way that makes it unobvious (e.g. funny fonts, pronouns, etc. are “obvious” changes that are unlikely to trip people up like this).

    • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netOPEnglish
      4·
      5 months ago

      nope. i was looking for a good world news comm and this was the second biggest one by subscribers. i was pulling up modlogs by the top moderators’ actions since you can’t filter by community and i noticed almost all modlogs for this comm were like this. at no point did i think this was on you, specifically, so we are clear. i knew it wasn’t you because i’m who was doing the filtering. i just wasn’t trying to stir shit in that way when i see this as a community issue rather than as a specific person issue since the unwritten rule is consistently enforced

      • goat@sh.itjust.worksBanned from communityEnglish
        28·
        5 months ago

        fair enough.

        i’ve been wondering if a solution could be introducing a mega-thread for i/p stuff. I understand why ikt wants to cut back on the posts since it does tend to flood an international news forum.

    • webghost0101@sopuli.xyz
      32·
      5 months ago

      What the hell even is a “Gaza head”

      How do you turn being upset about citizens being starved and killed in a systematic way into “feeling holier with hateful actions incapable of civil conversation”

      Seems pretty obvious that you yourself feel holier and are incapable of holding conversation if you dismiss basic respect for human life as hateful.

    • mrdown@lemmy.world
      232·
      5 months ago

      The hateful people are you defending a settler colonial power. Antisemite comments are removed in every post where it happen

    • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.caBanned from community
      211·
      5 months ago

      Apparently there’s an unwritten rule of “no comments criticizing the anti-Israel movement” in this little corner of the internet.

      I think there’s some colloquialism involving pots and kettles that applies here. Or maybe throwing stones in glass houses?

      • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netOPEnglish
        302·
        5 months ago

        Do you also require:

        • Palestinians denounce Hamas immediately
        • Ukrainians denounce Nazism immediately

        I’m Jewish, and I do not make my anti-Zionism a secret. But israel does not speak for all Jews, expecting all Jews to speak for israel is the type of isolating othering that makes people scared to live in the communities where they are. You can ask a Jewish organization what its stance is before donating or volunteering with them, but demanding Jews “own up” to Israel does the opposite of what you want. You have to understand there’s two major Jewish movements in response to anti-semitism. One is zionism, which maps directly to neocolonialism and the other is Doikayt which is coalition building.

              • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netOPEnglish
                3·
                5 months ago

                as with many simple questions, this has a complex answer. let’s give the simple answer first and expand out from there:

                1. the estxistence of a state throughout history has represented opression through violence. so, no, there is not a state i believe to be not opressive
                2. i am also a realist. i understand that nearly all humans worldwide are subjects of states. the ones who aren’t are so skirted in in their pockets of uncontacted realms that they are still impacted by one state or another. at this current moment in time, i believe the state that treats people with the most dignity is probably Mexico, though i am biased by what i experience and am exposed to. i have blindspots and may be missing another country in another part of the world that is doing a better job to represent the dignity of all people everywhere. further, mexico, as with all coagulations of power, is vulnerable to what has happened to every state everywhere eventually: a total capitulation of all values in order to please the holders of power
                3. there have existed non-state entities whose histories were largely wiped out by colonial powers. these precolonial groups histories still exist in the oral record and their ways of living are often the direct target of genocidal regimes. of particular interest to me are pre-colonial cambodia, puerto rico, ireland, hawai’i, and north america, however these stories of how idigenous people lived before the opressors came are hidden deep within many people’s cultural identities across the globe
      • GrammarPolice@lemmy.world
        21·
        5 months ago

        How do those two things differ in the context of this conflict? Most people believe Palestine has a right to exist.

        Maybe I’m missing some context since the original comment is now deleted

    • FreeMindFreeAss@lemmy.world
      111·
      5 months ago

      You sleep alright at night? Gonna be peaceful when the end of your old age comes as it will for us all? Think real hard, you only have this one chance to be against evil. Use it. Or don’t, but you don’t get to pretend you didn’t know. If you have a god, he is not fooled.

      Also you guys sound so dumb. “Oh this is so left! We need our own platform without so many lefties!!!” “Oh there is so much pro palestine propaganda, this sucks!”

      Like dude maybe you are just in the minority of shitty people with shitty ideals? Maybe that’s why you can’t find peers without lurking into the truly dark parts of the internet. Maybe if you actually met your contemporaries with whom you agree in real life, you would be horrified. Maybe, just maybe, the problem is you. I know, what a hard concept for a fully grown adult to grasp. take all the time you need. So work on it or decide to never be an adult. Like I said, it’s not any of our problem, it’s yours to live with for eternity. If “being ok with dead kids” is your legacy, stop being a pussy and own it. Tell us, tell us you like it. Say it clearly. I can clearly state my beliefs without a hint of shame. Imagine what that must be like? It’s nice, you can get there too, but nobody’s gonna hold your hand. This post s probably the most help you will ever get. Good luck.

      • vga@sopuli.xyz
        22·
        5 months ago

        Maybe if you actually met your contemporaries with whom you agree in real life

        This I actually agree with. Most people who agree with me on this are very weird where I live – like almost exclusively the bad kind of christians. But do you think weirdness is a good basis for opinions?

        • FreeMindFreeAss@lemmy.world
          6·
          5 months ago

          Hey man, I talk to everyone, including IDF soldiers due to where I live. (popular holiday spot for Israelis) I do think that it’s worth reflecting upon why the people you meet irl with whom you agree seem like the wrong kind of religious zealots. I grew up crazy evangelical. Zealotry was all that I ever knew. Speaking ill of Israel never ever even crossed my mind until I was probably in my late 20s, that’s how strong the religious indoctrination and constant media propaganda is in the US. I was in a Southern Baptist Death Cult. They loved Israel, and the things that they said about Muslims I don’t want to repeat here, I’m sure it wasn’t an isolated case but the most loving grannies would let hellfire out of their eyes when the pastor was talking about the enemies of Israel. Religion is just too effective at manipulating one’s idea of right and wrong. Part of the reason I left is because I saw people who were clearly lost in darkness exulted to high positions in my church. It was some bs, and I was a teen so I had the inclination to rebel against BS. Thank God.

          I don’t think weirdness is a good basis for opinions, I’m very weird in my way.

          But as I said, if most of the people that you meet in real life who share your views on this give you the heebee jeebees, it’s at least worth entertaining the idea that your view has been fed to you by online narratives pushed by someone with an agenda.

          That’s why it is so important to talk to real people. I know, it can be hard. I’m autistic and grew up way tf out in the sticks, like horror movie out in the sticks.

          And, until I left and began meeting and talking with more people, I didn’t know that I was kinda racist, but I was. Because everyone I knew was, I didn’t know that it wasn’t normal.

          So I guess keep talking, you know what is good and you know what is wrong. We are bombarded with media vying for our attention and opinions, but deep down, you know. Stay true to that.

          • vga@sopuli.xyz
            2·
            5 months ago

            But as I said, if most of the people that you meet in real life who share your views on this give you the heebee jeebees

            Truth to be told, the people who actually share my view are the ones who never talk about those views, like I also don’t in real life. The silent majority. We know how flammable these issue are.

            Why do I flap my mouth about it here then? Not sure, some combination of social media’s toxicity and the fact that Lemmy is absolutely filled with blatantly and exclusively pro-palestine stuff, making it hard to ignore. Also if you think somebody is wrong and you want to change their opinions, it makes more sense to talk about those opinions in the middle of the people who disagree with you instead of in your safe bubble where everybody already agrees.

      • SkyezOpen@lemmy.world
        251·
        5 months ago

        I’ll save us all some time. They’re a huge Israel supporter and the majority of their comments from the past 2 weeks are zionist bullshit.

        Also a weird post comparing the Kimmel cancelation to Roseanne’s, and saying Kimmel’s statement about kirk was vile.

      • vga@sopuli.xyz
        14·
        5 months ago

        Sorry, some trigger-happy mod removed my comment and I cannot remember what this was about.

        Probably some common sense view about Israel vs Hamas that 80% of normal people agree with whereas 99% of Lemmy users are completely oblivious about.

        This is a weird bubble.