Saw someone talking about moving that reminded me to ask this. I really want to stay in the U.S. to build socialism but sometimes I fear it is past the event horizon, that things will only get more gruesome, and I want my loved ones to live.
I have not the slightest clue where I would move to. Obviously the one we all think about sometimes is China, but I know next to nothing about the language, culture, history, values etc. and don’t know how I would adjust. It also seems it would be difficult as someone with no education or marketable job skills in respected fields.
Sometimes I think about places like Cuba because it is much more familiar to me culturally, linguistically etc. but then it seems an area like that is going to get a bad hand dealt to it with climate change.
Western countries would be the most familiar, and I do think perhaps they have a greater capacity for positive change than the U.S., but this also seems like it would be moving somewhere just 5-10 years behind collapse of America. Who’s to say which of these societies will jump ship to the new world order, if any?
Sometimes I also fear people across the world slowly (and understandably) becoming vehemently anti-USian, whether the US empire dies or clings on. Many older generations across the world seem to still think very fondly of Americans and our country, but I do not think the younger generations seem as affected by the global pro-American propaganda. Perhaps this is American cynicism to think like this, but perhaps it is not too crazy to imagine an era of people hating Americans and resenting American refugees, even if we try to play the “But I hated America too!” card.
Regardless, obviously being a refugee sucks regardless if one leaves “ahead of the curve” or not. It’s not supposed to be fun to feel coerced into leaving your home to escape doom, as many a country has experienced under American brutality.
It also seems kind of impossible because moving is so expensive, although I understand that if the situation becomes truly dire many Middle Easterners and Latin Americans in the last half century have managed to make grand treks with little to no possessions…although of course, many then end up in terrible situations.
What about you all? What are your situations, considerations, predictions, and interest regarding this topic?
Literally every day of my life. My biggest fear right now is dying in or getting martyred in a country full of the same kinds of crackers that would’ve strung me up in it two hundred years ago. Problem is one, I’m physically disabled and have a handful of comorbid mental disorders, and two, my skillset’s kind of particular with the technology; which means pretty much the only places I could find work are fuckin FIVE-EYES nations.
I don’t want to die here. The longer I am here, the higher the chance gets that I go out by hashtag-- and yet, everywhere I look, they either don’t accept disabled emigrés, or have an exorbitant liquid floor to emigration that I’m not going to hit til I’m at least 50.
I plan on leaving Germany. I would prefer to leave after I studied at a university but I feel less and less comfortable here politically. So does my girlfriend who isn’t a Marxist but she is very open to all of my ideas and support most of them but she is kind of anti-intellectual in a way that she doesn’t like reading and doesn’t care for history.
I want to leave for China, I’m leaning Chinese already, but my girlfriend rather opposed to the idea. One thing is that she doesn’t speak the language, the other is that she is a little bit scared of China because of western propaganda. She knows most of it is propaganda, but she doesn’t know how China is actually since we have never been there. I don’t know either but I’m more optimistic. I admire that she doesn’t blindly fall for any kind of propaganda and thinks critically about anything.
One major issue for her is that first aid seems not to exist there? We follow a German rapper on TikTok who lives in Shenzhen for a lot of years and it’s very well integrated in Chinese society. He told a story about calling 120 (i think)/ emergency services for a drunk dude who fell unconscious. His girlfriend immediately left the scene and he called them but once they arrived they asked who called them instead of helping them. Apparently calling emergency services is an admission of guilt and you can be sued by the injured.
In Germany it’s a crime not to help and call emergency services. She wouldn’t want to live somewhere were you don’t get help if you’re injured or need help desperately.
She also doesn’t want to lose her privilege of being part of the labor aristocracy. I get that she wants to live a nice life. I would be fine in a poor farmer’s village in some mountains but China is becoming a country where you have great living standards so I hope until we are ready to move we evaluate China better.
Cuba would be another contestant for us since it’s nice and tropical as well as very progressive but we wouldn’t have the same standard of living there. The lack of good internet accessablity is her biggest concern but the language is a bit easier to learn.
In conclusion I would love to leave the imperical core with my gf but we are uncertain where we would be comfortable.
I would leave for sure but all my family that I talk to is in the US, and Id have to pay a decent amount to renounce my citizenship before the immense cost of moving to a new country or even a new continent
I’m in a similar boat where I’d like to leave but don’t know where to go. I want to be a part of some communist country and actually have work that made things better for society but my job/ work experience isn’t really something that makes me unique enough to be of value to another country. Like i feel they would be like “we can train out own people to do this why should we even consider letting you in.”
