• julianwgs@discuss.tchncs.de
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    9 months ago

    This is the wrong statistic! It doesnt matter how often you take the train, but how far you go. There is something called a passenger kilometer. Someone traveling one kilometer by train makes one passenger kilometer, 6 people on a train going 10 kilometers makes 60 passenger kilometers. The same can be done for other modes of transportation. The modal split (the right statistic) then shows how much each mode of transportation is actually used. Here you can find the statistic for each country of the EU: https://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/daviz/passenger-transport-modal-split-2#tab-chart_1

    A few examples why modal split is better than frequencies:

    • Environmentally CO2 is emitted per kilometer. Someone may bike a short distance everyday to work, but visits his parents who live far away every weekend by car.
    • On the way to work someone could take the car and the train on the same commute.
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      9 months ago

      Model split also has it’s downsides. For example:

      Not every trip is the same in every country. Denmark commutes 22km on average, the Netherlands does 3km

      Not every country travels as far. Someone who does 10km by train out of 100km has a much greater share than 20km out of 10.000.

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      9 months ago

      Germany, would be better in Case you would measure the time that it takes to travel.

      Danks ju för traffeling Wiss Deutsche Bahn …

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        9 months ago

        Even that has problems. German railways might not be on time, but most of the main lines are upgraded to 200km/h and some new lines are even faster. So compared to for example Switzerland that means higher speed, but it is much more likely to be delayed.

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          9 months ago

          The main reasons of which the German trains are mostly to late are Not enough Tracks for all the trains and Not enough people who works at Deutsche Bahn.

          If we would like that more people taking the train, we need also more acces to trains, that means more trainstations in villages Connected to the railway systhem

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      9 months ago

      Interesting! For example, while Switzerland and Turkey appear on opposite sides of the spectrum in OP, they are close to each other in the modal split. And Turkey has even much less car use than Switzerland! 61.6% vs 77.7%. Apparently, taking the bus is very common in Turkey. With 36.6% more than any other country has in train and bus combined.

      And while Germany looks literally green in the upper half in OP, modal split shows it’s car dependency with 85.4%.

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      Most people have far more km to work every day than the longer trips to visit distant relatives. Thus how often you take the train is a useful metric.

      Plus someone who drives to work.already has a car so the marginal cost of the longer trip is insignificant. While someone who normally doesn’t drive has to make up the costs of a car for rare trips only and that makes the marginal cost of a car very high. So people who don’t drive daily are more likely to figure out how to take those long trips without a car.

      • julianwgs@discuss.tchncs.de
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        9 months ago

        This pattern is true and passenger kilometers represent it just fine. There is no need to use the how often you use the train metric. Note that my two examples were there to explain the metric, not actual factual examples.

        As an actual example: I take my bike to work and dont own a car, so my modal split is mostly trains because of longer distance trips, but I use the bike far more often. Frequencies only make sense if each occurrence is very similar (in quantity). For example: How often does one eat meat? Each meal roughly contains the same amount of meat (may be factor two or three difference). Here frequencies make more sense as more detailed statistics dont actually give more insights.

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          The most useful metric for a transit system is % of people who are on a monthly unlimited rides pass. So long as the pass is priced well that measures who useful transit is.

          Of course for people who bike an unlimited rides pass may not be cost effective, but I still like it as people who are on the pass won’t hesitate to use transit for odd trips.