I am so sick of the word conservative. It’s not conservative, it’s fucking regressive. It’s back sliding our society into a world that never really existed in the first place.
It’s not conservative, it’s fucking regressive.
I mean, Liberals aren’t particularly liberal and far too many of the Progressives are barely progressive. Libertarians don’t seem that interested in liberty. Centrists can’t find the center. Plutocrats are immolating their capital. The Meritocrats are unqualified. The Technocrats are incompetent. Only the Fascists seem intent on delivering results consistent with their brand.
I don’t disagree. The world liberal is wasted on the Democratic party. They’re not liberal. They’re just the only valid opposition to the Nazis. Even if their policies are conservative.
They’re just the only valid opposition to the Nazis.
I think you’re asking “opposition” to do more heavy lifting than it can bear in that sentence.
They’re just the only valid opposition to the Nazis.
They’ve rolled over so fast and so frequently that I’d hardly call them “opposition” without prefixing it with “controlled”.
The most influential force in Democratic Party leadership right now is Bitcoin Banks, ffs. They’re fully rotten.
The democratic party is run by conservatives that are keeping the liberals and progressives in check. The republican party is so far off the deep end we need a new word for what they are.
I’ve managed to find a few that can describe the Republicans:
- Nazis
- Neo-Nazis
I say this all the time and somehow people just can’t see it. Who cares what they call themselves. Its what they do and what they want that describes them.
“Conservative” just means “extreme far-right” now.
That’s only if you let it
To me it’s still what Americans consider left
… can… can we go there?
It’s funny cuz people actually think this way, and don’t realize what a self-own it is.
Someone added that to the PragerU post? Because I can’t imagine PragerU posting a Utopian image with that text. PragerU are worse than Fox “Newz”.
PragerU posted the text, someone added the image.
Love how even in this future people still park on the fuckin sidewalks.
Cant change the fact that people suck
I’m fine with conservative media in theory, but the problem with conservative media these days is just the constant blatant lying.
I think there’s definitely room for conservative voices, like:
- Conserving the environment.
- Putting checks and balances on AI and technology in general
- Maintaining non-harmful cultural traditions (Morris Dancing is cringe, but it should still be around)
- Promoting an emphasis on local community and family rather than individualism fuelling the capitalist system
Even traditions that have been harmful can be recontextualised and maintained and used as a means of teaching, rather than thrown out entirely in the name of progress. People are so drawn to places like Japan (at least partially) because they maintain their traditions and seek to conserve what they have rather than constantly push forward and bulldoze everything old because it’s old. Obviously not everyone believes in the traditions, but they keep them anyway.
Nowadays though? Conservatives have basically tossed all of that in favor of allowing capital to completely bulldoze over traditions and then blaming the ensuing misery on the gays.
I don’t think political conservatism has ever meant caring about conserving heritage and nature. From the inception of the concept in the 18th century to now, it’s always been about conserving (or bringing back) inequality in power and wealth. It was never about preserving nature or protecting other people their way of life. Then and now, the credo of the conservative movement might just as well be “I want rules for thee but not for me”.
Then what would you call someone who holds those beliefs? The belief that some things ought to be conserved and progress ought to be held back in some circumstances? I would call that conservative in a small c kind of way, as opposed to big c Conservatives that are all about centralised power and handing everything over to big businesses to strip the world clean of anything of value.
Conservators are those that work towards the conservation of things.
Edit: conservation and conservatism are 2 very different things. To work towards conservation of something is not going to be directly tied to political backgrounds: It is not because someone is a socialist or liberal, that they will not want to conserve some things. Everyone will probably have some things (nature, monuments, traditions, …) that they want to conserve for future generations.
Political conservatism definitely has meant conserving heritage and nature, just not in your lifetime. Example: Theodore Roosevelt created America’s national park system. But since at least as far back as 1980 conservatism has been co-opted by con men as a beard for their own gain. I think the main reason they’ve succeeded is that so many conservatives, although basically good at heart, were brought up with the biblical family model of putting absolute faith in a strong and wise Daddy who looks after them. They want to believe in that so hard because it’s so much a part of who they are, once they identify a Daddy they’ll give him a pass on just about everything. Once you figure out how to become Daddy they’re all yours.
Theodore Roosevelt was considered domestically progressive, internationally conservative. The encyclopedia Britannica has this to say on Teddy: “By 1906 he was the undisputed spokesman of national progressivism and by far its best publicity agent.”. https://www.britannica.com/place/United-States/Theodore-Roosevelt-and-the-Progressive-movement
What do you call a progressive who wants to conserve a piece of nature? Still a progressive, because progressive/conservative terminology is about political philosophy/ideology, not about conservation. Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive politician who also was a conservator of nature.
How could you ban political speech without some kind of Act under the guise of keeping Kids Safe Online?
Actually holding platforms accountable for hate speech and propagating dangerous misinfo would solve 90% of the problem. Some shitty guy self hosting his Nazi rants was never the problem. It’s a problem when he’s allowed to push his content directly to users unprompted.
Believe it or not people hated minorities and drank bleach before social media, they just weren’t on the front page.
Have we tried putting them on a boat and sending on to find the next continent? If we did that, I might start celebrating Columbus day!
G’day mate.
Yeah, several times. The colonies of every major recent empire were essentially formed this way. It sounds good on paper, but it ends up just being harborage for conservatism.
Imagine a world where news was balanced and progressives had equal media representation.
looks like cool discussion downwind but why should we even argue about what is “conservative”
you’re interested in conserving resources? you got some canned food in your cubbard? you tried to teach your kid whatever bullshit you thought was important from your folks? BOOM you’re a Filthy Conservative.
I’m interested in conserving the word “cupboard”
damn swear i knew some one on the internet would come after for that
you’re not wrong though
Old Mother Hubbard glares disapprovingly
some individual should explain to her about phonetic spelling and it’s all irrelevant, as long as you understand the context and hopefully the nuance
Imagine all the people…
state sponsored censorship is bad
That’s why you don’t do censorship with right wing traitor lunatics. You ban their media and execute them.
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I don’t think so, because then you’re imagining a world where somebody controls what can or can’t be online. That’s not progressive.
I think about the Soviet Union and communism and whatnot. I think your concept of liberal and conservative really set in a modern period. So now it means something totally different than what it used to mean. Liberals are not liberals, and conservatives are not conservatives, in the modern era in America. Like you might not agree with a European conservative, but they’re not absolutely horrible, unlike the ultra far right in Europe as well as here in America. Now that might all change due to how much the establishment turns up the volume and the mass hysteria kicks in though. I’m coming from a sociological point of head space, mindset. In regards to America’s liberal and conservative i see both as reactionary. America is one of the most propagandized populations in the world. We’re like a mixture of North Korea and Disneyland without your wallet. An open-air prison where everybody’s gaslighting the fuck out of you. The show must go on, remember to smile. to elaborate further, I think maybe it’s always been like this and it just has to do with the bread getting short and the rise of right-wing populism. I think all of this lives on like a spectrum. I just think of Mass hysteria. The Masters know how to fuck with our heads. Like I’m gonna hide underneath my fucking desk to keep myself safe from a nuclear bomb. Fucking ridiculous.
This reminds me of a conversation I had with my mom about Trump taking away Social Security. She said it was impossible and we wouldn’t let him do it. And I told her, not only would we let him do it, but after the media gets finished, we’d be browbeating those that complained about it ending. It’s ridiculous how Americans have adapted to tolerating the most abhorrent shit. Like, healthcare, minimum wage, “right to work “ states, etc.
Like you might not agree with a European conservative, but they’re not absolutely horrible
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Years_of_Lead_(Italy)
