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        8 months ago

        Empty platitudes. Pacifism doesn’t work on Nazis. Mandalorianism though…

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            8 months ago

            And doing nothing when someone is violently assailing you seems like it would carry consequences of its own. I’m not advocating that we meet violence with murderous retribution, but when diplomacy fails and someone intends to cause you harm no matter what you do, defending yourself is the only reasonable course of action.

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        Yeah? Why not name out the times a significant change happened without violence, and we’ll compare it to the number of times it took violence. Special hint: One of these is MUCH larger than the other. Hell, like 100 people were killed over a few days just to get the US down to a 40 hour work week.

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        I most heartily agree it’s simply senseless and cruel to brutalize other humans, cut their throats wide better to put them down like rabid dogs.

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        8 months ago

        Yes, it is. They are willing to use violence against us all, we should be willing to do the same. The only downside is that when they brutalize and jail us, they get to go home. We don’t stand a fucking chance.

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    A few more instances of this in some staunchly liberal communities and there’s gonna be at least an armed standoff between ICE and a local militia (they’re not all conservative). I’m sure that’s the outcome they’re going for; that doesn’t mean it can or should be avoided.

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      8 months ago

      ICE are cowards. Unless someone is actively watching them, they’ll kidnap people when the opportunity strikes

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    Look there’s more than enough handguns in the US of A to arm each and every person who opposes ICE agents kidnapping innocent people illegally. This is not by accident. The second amendment was crafted with this very scenario in mind. It’s time.

    Time to pick up the very arms the Constitution guarantees you have the right to bear to fight the very people your Constitution armed you to fight.

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      8 months ago

      Always have an escape route ready. Do your thing then get the hell out of there.

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      While this sounds nice police largely have no fear of consequence because qualified immunity and even threatening to do harm against a cop carries big consequences. The truth is that lawmakers need to step up and make it clear what they’re doing is illegal, that way refusing an unlawful command or protecting yourself can be easily defended in court. Shooting a cop is only going to add fuel to the fire.

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        If you’re targeted for kidnapping/rendition, your choice is to either die in an El Salvadoran prison or to die in a hail of bullets with the hope of at least taking a few Nazi thugs with you. Due process is not an option. That’s what’s happening now. It’s not a hypothetical.

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          8 months ago

          The first battle of the Revolution was fought 5 years after the Boston Massacre.

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        The truth is that lawmakers need to step up and make it clear what they’re doing is illegal, that way refusing an unlawful command or protecting yourself can be easily defended in court.

        Yeah that’s not going to happen, what now?

        Shooting a cop is only going to add fuel to the fire.

        The fire doesn’t care about your fuel. If you stay paralyzed in fear of adding fuel to the fire you’ll wake up to find yourself burning.

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          What are you doing for the cause lol I love how it’s so easy to talk big on the Internet. Are you burning down courthouses and shooting cops?

          Have you noticed that the courts are ruling against Trump’s fascist policies? Do you know what will happen if Trump continues to disobey lawful orders? It becomes lawful to disobey those orders.

          I know it’s fun to be a doomerist online but we’re not at boiling point yet. It’s getting hot and people are growing more sympathetic towards minorities and understanding that if there is no due process then anyone can be targeted, journalist, opponents, etc. until that happens at large most people are unbothered.

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            What are you doing for the cause lol I love how it’s so easy to talk big on the Internet. Are you burning down courthouses and shooting cops?

            Watching this shit go down from a safe distance and taking notes, why do you ask?

            I know it’s fun to be a doomerist online but we’re not at boiling point yet.

            At this rate when you reach boiling point it’ll be too late.

            until that happens at large most people are unbothered.

            First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me

            -A dude from Nazi Germany.

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    ICE refused to produce a warrant, so this wasn’t an arrest, it was an abduction. The folks who were charged for trying to stop it were acting in defense of others and ought to be acquitted.

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    This is exactly why people don’t trust the system. No warrant shown, no explanation given, a terrified child cuffed and dragged away for reacting like any human being would. Local police claim they don’t assist ICE, but when it counts, they show up to protect federal agents instead of their own community. This wasn’t law enforcement, it was a disappearance in broad daylight, and everyone there knew it.