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Some brilliant people invented photoshop
It was a good product but expensive
Some asshole coke head CEO decided to make it more expensive and worse.
Fuck adobe.
GIMP 3 FTW
And they bought Macromedia’s suite and destroyed it.
I miss macromedia flash so bad, actionscript for life
I once built a website preloader that was so large that I made a pre-preloader for it. Good times indeed.
A flash preloader was my first real tech job! As I recall, they stiffed my last paycheck and went under later.
But it was incredibly fun and I made connections that steered my career to a new direction for the next decade.
Awesome, what’s keeping you busy these days? (If this is an account where it’s OK to share that on)
<insert outdated xzibit meme here> Agreed, the wildest of wests.
Fireworks for me. I miss that whole suite though.
Now there’s a name I haven’t seen in a while and that makes me a little bit sad.
Good I hated working in actionscript so much.
RIP Fireworks…
Fireworks had so much potential as a web design app and they threw it away.
Illustrator and InDesign were too focused on print media and Photoshop could barely comprehend anything unless it was rasterized.
That’s what big tech companies do, they buy small and promissing companies they think that once can become a competitor and then… destroy it. The young startups just take the money and can retire early.
And they bought Cool Edit and destroyed it.
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That was part of the macromedia suite wasn’t it?
Were they talking about Dreamweaver or Flash?
Freehand
The one i never used.
I made my personal homepage with Dreamweaver and got my first job with it.
Also the first job: after 3 days of us using Dreamweaver to finalize the website, the PM rushes in and forbids Dreamweaver use, because it was garbling the parts with java.
I never even worked with HTML before, “raw” in a text editor lol.
I’m thankful for this first experience. It made me buckle up and catch up in the hotel, at night.
That was around 1997…
GIMP 3, Krita, Darktable, Inkscape, Kdenlive
Blender
The people editing their images in Blender are the same people who edit their videos in Blender lol.
You say that like it’s a bad thing lol
Has it gotten better with editing? I tried a couple of years ago and just couldn’t. It’s amazing for the 3d software. If they could make it easier to measure things, I’d use it for CAD too.
FreeCAD for CAD as others mentioned.
Sadly FreeCAD is absolutely shit compared to what commercial CAD products offer - and sadly even 1.0 didn’t change their problems.
Depends on your needs. I probably wouldn’t consider it good enough yet for commercial but the improvements on 1.0 take care of pretty much all of my needs. The “free” licenses for Fusion360 and OnShape are garbage and feel like nothing more than attempts to get hobbyists and small businesses locked in before changing terms. Plus, last I checked, they pull the same kinda data vacuum bullshit that social media companies did in their terms - “free” license holders should expect any and all of their work to be resold by the companies for profit.
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I believe i recall there being an update specifically to the video editor within the past year or two, but don’t quote me on that. They have done updates to post processing, the timeline functionality, grease pencil, and i believe some other things that would apply to video editing, so i imagine it would be easier to work with. There are cad and measuring add-ons as well, i believe some free within blender itself.
I bought Davinci, so I’m happy with that, but I’ll still check out the Blender version. I can’t really complain about it, it does so much and is free.
As far as CAD goes, they aren’t really usable to be fast in CAD. It’s super cumbersome. You should be able to move things 1" to the right or left, put things at certain heights and move around the space in an easy way. I haven’t found anything that can do that for imperial. Also, the tools for making dimensions is really bad and I don’t think there’s a way to make a blueprint unless you come up with something yourself. That being said, it’s free and it’s not their focus. They concentrate on the 3D portions.
I’ve started using FreeCAD for CAD work, I’ve used Fusion 360 for 5 years before trying FreeCAD (again, I tried it a few years ago) and it works pretty good.
It’s different and it’s taking some getting used to but it’s working out quite nicely so far.
If the units are set to inches for length. You can just type G (grab), X (or Y or Z), and 1 to move an inch in any direction. I think it used to be worse.
It doesn’t do it natively, but it does have plugins for CAD features
Maybe I’m doing too much engineering - I found Open SCAD to be way easier than Blender for making stuff, and that’s saying something because Open SCAD is quite a pain.
I can see why for engineering, it allows you to be super precise. I’m not sure the people who developed the CAD side of Blender have ever used it for anything precise or to build details and drawings of any kind. They just seem clueless, there is no other way to put it. AutoSketch used to be so great, maybe the paid version is now. That was different than AutoCAD and Revit, but I loved it.
I’ve always seen Blender as a 3D art tool but never as a precise 3D engineering tool. Didn’t even know Blender had CAD features
I hate the syntax in OpenSCAD. It LOOKS like something object-oriented but it is procedural, causing oh so many footguns, if one expects it to act like OOP.
I’m a mostly procedural thinker, even though I program in OOP all day long. OpenSCAD works a lot like the rest of my code: write it, try it, look at the results, curse, revise it, try it, look at the results, curse differently… you get there eventually. I do highly suggest not coding a masterpiece in OpenSCAD without visualizing the components first.
FreeCAD (for less-organic modeling)
Photopea, Shotcut
if you poke around graphic design as a hobby, these might be fine, but not for professional use from what I’ve read :/
e.g. apparently Inkscape still can’t really do CMYK
I (distantly) knew an indie software developer who was putting up a pretty good Photoshop alternative in 1996: ONE GUY alone in his bedroom was making a decent living selling a Photoshop alternative that he wrote himself. And he wasn’t exactly a super-wunderkind coder, just a guy who knew the photo manipulation space well enough to get enough customers to float selling his software for a few years - in direct competition with Photoshop.
Adobe isn’t selling magic dust ground from precious gemstones by thousands of artisans. They had a decent product that they marketed the hell out of and eventually got overly greedy.
GIMP, Krita, and many others are right up there if you haven’t been sucked into the Adobe addiction vortex.
Krita is awesome with a drawing pad
And I’m not like even good at doing anything
Yeah, I got my son a draw-on monitor explicitly for use with Krita. It’s a normal PC too, but it makes Krita much easier to use well.
I use GIMP, but you can’t compare it to Photoshop. GIMP has a horrible GUI and it has very strange design choices.
The Affinity suite is comparable to Photoshop, but it’s a paid product.
I compare today’s GIMP to the Photoshop I used in the 1990s, and they’re not very different at all.
whatever happened to photopea
Photopea represent
Affinity Photo for me!
I’d prefer FOSS but…GIMP ain’t it.
Have used Photopea in* a bind in the past, it’s also pretty good especially the clone GUI.
Bought out by Canva, I also currently love it, but I don’t expect that to last.
FUCK.
I moved to Affinity early this year, and it has been amazing!! I was expecting a long adjustment period after decades with Photoshop, but it’s so similar that I picked it up super quick!
Another vote for Affinity. Excellent Adobe alternatives 1-time reasonable price. Such a breath of fresh air after so many subs.
Just an FYI that you might want to get some practice in with some Affinity alternatives, because they’ve been purchased by Canva, and so enshittification might set in any time.
It may enshittify, but since it’s a one time purchase and not a subscription, you can keep using your version.
Oh that’s really good.
I have been using it for the past 5+ years. It is good enough, and its perpetual license.
Krita is my graphics app of choice these days. But there are many alternatives that are great (like Gimp and Photopea).
Krita is my graphics app of choice these days.
So much of Krita is great and then there is the text tool which is still a heap of trash.
I still remember when they bought Macromedia Flash and all my animator friends and I simply couldn’t stand Adobe Flash CS3 or whatever it was called. It used more resources, crashed more often and didn’t exactly bring anything revolutionary to the table in terms of new functions.
I use Affinity Suite for work. Paid for it once, have it forever. Free updates until new editions, which are discounted if you own an older edition. Buy it for one platform (Windows), that’s a license for that edition of any other platform too. AND they regularly go on special, often to 50% off.
It doesn’t have AI content generation, but it does a few things Adobe doesn’t - like being able to use Photo and Designer from INSIDE Publisher, seamless like its a single program!
Affinity Photo (Photoshop), Designer (Illustrator), and Publisher (InDesign). Then Krita for raster illustration. That’s all I need as a professional
I have some artist friends who saw the writing on the wall after Adobe told Apple to fuck off with the iPad and Affinity said hold my beer. One owns her own publishing company and as of a few years ago all new projects were Adobe-free workflows. She still has Adobe but will only use it for older shit that might still need something later. Going forward, she (and therefore her entire operation) are fucking done with Adobe. Another friend learned both so he could adapt to whatever the market has in store for him and since the market sucks for artists he’s going freelance too and has said absolutely no to Adobe.
Adobe is officially legacy software. Vendor lock in won’t save it as the creatives don’t need industry titans to survive.
Moat of the teams I see hiring designers are still using Adobe, and printshops take .ai files. But most of the solo designers I know use Affinity, and I’ve heard of one (albeit small) team that has swapped to Affinity for their whole team.
Affinity was just bought by Canva so idk how it might evolve over time, or if v3 will make compromises I don’t agree with. But I got v1 during Covid, loved it, converted to v2 as soon as it was available, still love it. Using all of them on the same file in the same window feels amazing.
Another downside is that designers rarely make asset packs for Affinity. But I’m pretty sure Affinity is able to import brush pack formats from one of the other big names, just not sure which (likely Adboe’s .abr)
I don’t like painting in Photo though, but that might be because I’m so used to Krita, which is designed for illustration in the first place. (They’re great, I might donate to them again actually)
Some brilliant people invented photoshop
So the real question is whether Photoshop might ever have become successful, if Adobe hadn’t bought it.
It sure is.
I feel like I should have switched to GIMP a decade ago.
The best time to switch was 10 years ago. The second best time to switch is right now.
Big GIMP fan. That being said, Adobe needs to start promoting some of their actually good stuff, like their investment in the open C2PA spec for proving content authenticity, vs constant AI crap that is the exact opposite.
Bluesky has a lot of artists. Posting this video here: https://youtu.be/I4mdMMu-3fc
Ok, so I’ve tried gimp in the past, but had a hard time with it. Honestly, my Photoshop skills are mostly self taught (and not all that impressive), but that’s the interface I know. How similar to Photoshop can one make the interface in gimp these days? Because that’s probably my biggest hurdle.
Gimp is a little steeper learning curve but if you already know photoshop it’s not that bad.
The tricky thing is knowing what to do when you get stuck. Luckily they wrote a manual that assumes you’re only reading the manual because you got stuck and you’re so frustrated you’re actually reading the manual.
Gimp3 just launched and it’s really nice.
And free.
Check out PhotoGIMP
A top reply was posted on another lemmy community:
https://lemmy.world/post/27989752
I can’t see any screenshots from the article, all require a bluesky account. At least on twitter you could see images without login before the takeover. I’m alright if a for profit websites hides “their” content behind a login wall, it’s their choice, but how lazy is this “journalism” where they don’t copy the images, they just link to the original tweets or whatever they called on bluesky.
That’s weird. The bluesky links in the article work fine for me, and I don’t have a bluesky account.
Ahh hang on, this one doesn’t work but all the rest do
https://bsky.app/profile/megzavala.bsky.social/post/3lmdz2tu6xk2x
Ahh here we go: it’s a user made setting not a bluesky one
“Sign-in Required This user has requested that their content only be shown to signed-in users. This label was applied by the author.”
Ahh here we go: it’s a user made setting not a bluesky one
“Sign-in Required This user has requested that their content only be shown to signed-in users. This label was applied by the author.”
Why would a user choose to enable that? Would that make it less likely to be scraped by a bot?
Probably the same person who ends all of their comments on Lemmy with that stupid “anti-AI commercial license” or whatever bullshit.
It’s like the polar opposite of “Brought to you by Carl’s Jr.”
bsky started with nine of its posts. wing shown publicly so when they flopped the switch (i think they also opened registration without invites) some people who had gotten used to their post being hidden from the rest of the net felt exposed and the devs added this settings.
while i do not think its a great setting i kinda get it. especially given that there are not (yet) private accounts so that’s the best they have
TBH it’s better journalism to include the link, but they could do both.
Source can be destroyed. An alternative screenshoot backup/proof is good measure. Especially in web its better to not depend on an outside server.
Like if they close (or some billionaire buy them and requires an account for everything), your content becomes worthless.
Not you. take CURSE OF RA [7 lines of incromprehensible egyptian hyroglyphs]
Best reply to a greeting by Adobe
adobe will charge you $20 a month to read their skeets then charge a $100 cancellation fee if you want to stop following them.
It’s $20 for the readers bundle, $1289 per year if you want to see photos and comment.
Honestly nah, there are lots of other good options. Support the devs and people fueling real creativity rather than staying in Adobe’s ecosystem, paid or not.
I use Affinity these days. Although it being purchased by Canva has me very worried.
Exactly this.
Honestly nah, there are lots of other good options.
Unfortunately as someone who uses Adobe programs for work, the FLOSS alternatives are just not there yet :/ (especially considering how seamlessly Adobe programs work together)
My partner is a graphic designer and although she undeniably had some growing pains switching away from Adobe, she hasn’t looked back.
Thanks, that’s interesting to hear! Can I ask what sort of graphic design she does?
My work primarily involves CMYK publications made in InDesign, using graphics made in Illustrator and Photoshop. So inter-operability and compatibility with professional CMYK printing are key for my needs.
She also worked with Photoshop and Illustrator. She does many things. Freelance design work for people, as well advertising design for her work. She also does design for our website and ttrpg hobbies.
Thanks, glad to hear the alternatives work for her! Does she use FLOSS ones (Inkscape, Scribus, GIMP, Krita, etc.) or Affinity’s programs?
Affinity primarily.
On macOS I found that getting Photoshop to stay cracked was a hassle. This didn’t make me buy Photoshop, it just made me use something else.
I dumped Adobe completely several years ago, and found that Pixelmator has been an excellent Photoshop replacement. It even now does vector images - used to use an app called Graphic for that (for an Illustrator replacement), but should now be able to do all of that from Pixelmator.
I had a legit copy of CS6 for my windows computer, then switched to Mac and was unable to get a copy for it so I kept my windows laptop around for graphic design.
It died and now I use Affinity on my Mac and iPad.
Yeah, I used Adobe CS3 on the Mac for a very long time, because I may have had the activation key for my college’s site license…
That never gave me any trouble. But using other keys or cracks, a real pain in the ass.
Top meme
Had me at the first 1/10th.
Any Lightroom classic alternative?
In the theme of above lightroom classic (cracked)
Otherwise not really. You’re looking at digiKam for the library management side and either RawTherapee or Darktable for editing.
I just couldn’t get used to how the UI of Darktable works. Rawtherapee is somewhat nice, usable at least. I’ll check out digikam, I do have a problem with organisation.
Rawtherapee or darktable for example.
They started it by pretending to want to connect with artists.
by charging them alot for using thier services.
i like how i didn’t even know they were on bsky because they’re already added to the The Great AI/NFT/CRYPTO Cull blocklist.
great, cant view it because it wants me to log in…
It’s not “it” that wants you to log in, the devs created the site to be entirely public. but users demanded an option to hide their profiles from logged out users. Any hidden posts are because the user explicitly set the flag in their own settings
The api endpoints are still public btw. Third party clients can see these profiles just fine :| not a fan of that decision tbh
if that is the case the site should really do communicate that better. on another post I have seen a warning in the post body that the user’s setting makes it hidden. I understand that. but here? I’m just greated with a login wall exactly like on twitter or facebook, with no communication whatsoever, other than “log in or pound sand”
heh, not a local problem, even archive.org captured it: https://web.archive.org/web/20250411034219/https://bsky.app/profile/rayday.bsky.social/lists/3jxwojift2y2n
fuck you, bluesky! knew all the time you are not a little bit better than twitter & co
These days, bullying is used for good.
Same thing happened with Proton.
proton did it to themselves by embracing the us and their fascist leader.
And the CEO just did it again, because apparently it wasn’t enough backlash the first time.
Oh lord, what now ?
Source?
It’s in French, but here’s a link:
https://www.watson.ch/fr/!884988581Basically, Yen did an interview for Watson (a magazine) where he talked about the swedish government encroaching on encryption. He got political when he started talking about how all of the Swedish government officials were useless bureaucrats, and praised the US government’s methods instead.
You’re gonna need a bettet source than that, because this article and your comment say very different things. Why do people upvote comments like this one?
The Switzerland part:
There are three problems to be insulated. First of all, by extending the scope to a larger number of companies than was previously regulated for a few telecommunications giants, a massive expansion of Switzerland’s surveillance state is in fact being carried out.
There have been cases where we have seen demands against climate activists in France, we have seen situations where Catalan independence leaders have been unfairly targeted. I have many other examples that are not yet public about inappropriate targeting by the SCPT Service, which does not make any verification.
Switzerland is not a favourable land for tech start-ups? The Swiss start-up ecosystem is now more competitive than Germany, more competitive than the EU, more competitive than the US itself. But with this consultation, we are making it much less attractive by imposing massive obligations and burdens on small businesses that do not have the resources to do so.
I couldn’t find the US is awesome part though.
mic_check_one_two did not mention anything related to Switzerland. They’ve mentioned Sweden.
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Because reading articles is hard, better to blindly trust a headline and summary comment. People on Lemmy wouldn’t lie to me, would they?
they would surely fear the shame their names would get if it turned out they were lying, don’t you think?
because they don’t read it. has a source? must be true!
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and yet all those “use eu tech” charts always recommend proton products
It’s weird. It’s like there’s some kind of paid advertising campaign using bots who are never seen outside of shilling their company for some reason.
Yoowut, link?
I assume that’s the VPN proton and not the linux compatibility layer proton, right?
Greatjob Bluesky, One less Adobe monopoly
I’ve replaced my Adobe Audition with Reaper. I do recommend it
I didn’t, but I do want more people to switch to Reaper so that they can get more money and keep getting better.
Finally lost my reaper purchase after nearly 15 years. Remember when buying it at uni thinking of been a bit hard done by I was only supported till like version 7
I know Curse of Ra will get old if it isn’t already for some, but it’s my favorite stupid meme currently.
Praise be unto RA, destroyer of Brands!
im still rockin a cs6 version. works fine on w11ltsc. fuck the cloud and fuck ai.
I remember reading a story a while back about someone who owned a legit CS version with a proper serial and activation.
They had to change computer, and in doing so had to reactivate Photoshop, but it wasn’t working. They contacted Adobe support and explained the situation but support basically told him nope, not a chance, we aren’t helping you. You need to subscribe to new Photoshop.
So Adobe accepted that yes, he bought a perpetual licence for Photoshop and that yes, the reason it isn’t working is the online activation, but they still refused to help.
Scumbags.
yupp, its not possible anymore. you have to crack your your own bought photoshop.
I was so happy to help in ensuring it ocurred
Can’t think of a more deserving company
