Fediverse has emerged as the popular choice when people look for Twitter alternatives. Personally I found Mastodon was like the early days of Twitter, without half as much toxicity.
However, Fediverse comprises various instances operated by different people. Users sometimes need to switch between different instances, which can be annoying and challenging to manage effectively. I also feel it lacks the social media vibe.
Similarly, decentralisation, as seen in peer-to-peer networks, also emphasizes privacy and freedom of expression.
While exploring decentralised networks such as Nostr, Scuttlebutt, and WireMin, I found that Nostr has the highest level of recognition, whereas Scuttlebutt and WireMin have relatively small user bases currently. I believe their true value will only surface when they get big in the future. But the question is: will they indeed get big? Will decentralisation actually work?
Will Fediverse be the one to trigger the revolution and replace Twitter or Decentralisation?
What are your thoughts on this matter?
I don’t understand your post, I’m sorry to say. The fediverse is decentralized, after all. Or what are you trying to say?
Its not exactly decentralized. Yes its splitted across several servers, but these servers still centralizes the users/data. In order for us to truly say decentralized, each user must keep their own data and no other authority should be able to interfere with this user’s data.
That’s easily supported by the fediverse if a user wants it, by just running their own instance. It’s just more convenient for most users, as a result of not everyone being a technical user, to not do so and use someone else’s instance.
I think the point of Nostr is that its that dezentralized by default, for which I think: why force that much dezentralization on to everybody? What’s the merit?
That’s a very narrow defintion of decentralization. Nostr is more dezentralized than the fediverse sure. But its not like going full-steam dezentralization will necessarily result in the best service. For example content moderation would be pretty difficult then I imagine.
I mean it is decentralised, there is no single central point controlling the fediverse, that’s decentralised by definition. Yeah isn’t not decentralised to the point of being fully p2p, with everyone hosting their own data, but that’s just a different kind of/approach to decentralisation which has its pros and cons. Decentralised groups cooperating is still very much decentralisation by definition.
No one has to interfere with your data if you host your own instance after all, that’s always an option.
I would agree
I think fediverse is a good mid point. It’s partly decentralized and moderated by volunteers.
For instance, in decentralized networks, who is going to bring high-quality and moderated content on a public page? If there is going to be moderators, who are they and how they’re going to be selected? If everything going to be free, then whats stopping people from sharing illegal or CSAM?
I’ve read Nostr docs and I saw that users must comply with relays rules to live on that server. If its like this, then there is no difference between Nostr relays and Mastodon servers; there will be authority anyways. Except Mastodon is properly moderated.
I think we are just all figuring it out as we go.
One thing is for sure: users want to see relevant high quality information, not spam. And there is also a huge gray area of not-so-obvious spam.
The fediverse has a superior tool to combat spam, by unfederating instances that produce it.
So I do think that the fediverse will kind of win out. I can also see how there will be clusters within the fediverse with different norms.
Some clusters will not allow any hate speech, others will become a magnet for extremists. And the same kind of fractures will happen to other controversial topics.
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Personally I’d move that “possibility of banning” to a positive
Imagine being unable to ban spammers, scammers, or people posting illegal content.
Or hell even being unable to remove posts
Yeah fediverse is better IMO
True, it depends.
If individual users have ways to ban and/or filter spam on the individual level they don’t have to have others moderate content for them.
Please call it “federated network” and “P2P social network”/“full dezentralized network”
The Fediverse is dezentralized
That’s exactly what I’m trying to say. Fediverse is decentralised to some extent, but it’s not fully decentralised.
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Also completely ignores the fact that there are genuinely good reasons to ban certain people from a social media platform.
The “Free speech absolutist” position is pretty much braindead.
Bigots are leaving the fediverse for Nostr, which says a lot about what it has to offer in terms of protection from bigots…
Bluesky, Nostr, the Fediverse are all decentralized but have their respective protocols.
I personally hope that the Fediverse will be widely adopted because its not corporate-owned but its not a given at this point.
