Hours before Tulsi Gabbard appeared for a combative hearing on her nomination as director of national intelligence on Thursday, NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden gave some public advice to the woman who once pushed for his pardon.

“Tulsi Gabbard will be required to disown all prior support for whistleblowers as a condition of confirmation today. I encourage her to do so. Tell them I harmed national security and the sweet, soft feelings of staff. In D.C., that’s what passes for the pledge of allegiance,” Snowden said on X.

Even after facing more than a dozen questions about Snowden, however, Gabbard refused to back down.

Instead, Gabbard told the Senate Intelligence Committee that Snowden broke the law and that she would no longer push for his pardon — but that he had revealed blatant violations of the Constitution.

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      There’s a lot of common sense, popular opinions that you can’t have in Washington because there’s a bipartisan consensus to do the opposite.

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      It’s a bad look when the director of national intelligence supports someone who leaks intelligence secrets to enemy nations. It’s a good reason to pass on her aside from all of her personal issues.

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        God forbid you have a head of intelligence might follow the bill of rights

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          Why would you think that’s their job? Do you have any idea how any of this works?

          Snowden compromised the security of the intelligence apparatus of the USA and regardless of the reason you can’t have a DNI that approves of this.

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            Why would you think that’s their job?

            https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title%3A5+section%3A3331+edition%3Aprelim)

            §3331. Oath of office

            An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services, shall take the following oath: “I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

            I mean, you can dismiss it as pageantry and fluff. But every appointee has it in their job description as a matter of law per Title 5 Civil Service Functions and Responsibilities statute.

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              Go look what the DNI’s job is and tell me what she has to do with protecting constitutional rights.

              The oath of office is cute but try looking at the job description of the office we are talking about as that’s actually relevant.

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                Identifying and eliminating criminal misconduct within Intelligence Agencies would go a long way towards protecting the constitutional rights of US residents.

                The oath of office is cute

                The absolute state of modern liberalism.

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                  That’s not the job of the DNI.

                  You made a really weak argument utilizing the oath of office. Do you really think you are in a position to speak down to anyone after demonstrating such a flawed understanding of our system?

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      She’s got a lot of well thought out positions. None of them much agree with the American propaganda machine as it currently sits.

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    Damn, this is a hard one. Gabbard is right to defend him but likely for deeply shitty motivations.

    At the end of the day this is probably going to make it much more difficult to discuss why whistle-blowers deserve protection with my liberal family.

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    Even after facing more than a dozen questions about Snowden, however, Gabbard refused to back down. Instead, Gabbard told the Senate Intelligence Committee that Snowden broke the law and that she would no longer push for his pardon

    Is that not backing down?

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      I can try making a cake, if I stop trying before I manage to make one, it doesn’t mean I will complain if my girlfriend decides to make one instead of me!

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        It’s not even that, it’s someone told you to make a cake, so you talk about how you don’t make cakes, your against making a cake, but you could make a cake if someone really needs you to.

        And if your girlfriend does then make a cake, you just start taking credit.

        Actions are louder than words.

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          She pushed for his pardon

          She now says she won’t do it anymore, that she agrees he broke the law (need to have broken the law to get a pardon) BUT that she still believes what he did was right, implying that he deserves a pardon, she just won’t be the one trying to make it happen anymore.

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      Yes u am so confused by the quote and article. Snowden said she’d need to disown whistleblowers and she did just that. Seems to me like she stepped in line. Maybe I’m misunderstanding something?

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    Listening to her is incredibly frustrating. I don’t see Snowden as a traitor but this bitch is one of the last people that should be trusted with intelligence

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    Sometimes I wonder if Snowden is given a script to post when needed or if the FSB just controls his social media. We’ll find out everything one day because he’s undoubtedly under constant surveillance.

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      I’d wager there’s no way his staying in Russia doesn’t come with many strings attached. He’s only useful to them in these kinds of situations saying these kinds of things.

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    Isn’t American law supposed to protect whistleblowers? I mean we all know it doesn’t but at least in public speaking defending whistleblowers should be considered a good thing no?

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      It doesn’t though - and that’s had an obvious chilling effect on whistle-blowers.

      One of the key issues is that most politicians will express support for whistle-blowing in the abstract or when exposing flaws of opposing administrations. But the administration that is likely to be damaged by whistle-blowing is the one vested with the responsibility to protect it… and that abstract support evaporates pretty fucking quickly if it’s damaging your image.

      Unless my memory is faulty the modern attacks on whistle-blowing mostly date back to Obama’s administration. During W Bush we had the Abu Ghraib torture revelations and the whistle-blower in that case ended up receiving high praise even while causing significant damage to both W Bush and Rumsfeld.

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      No it only pretends to. Because whistleblowers have to leak sensitive information to blow the whistle, the US goes after them for treachery.

      These days whistleblowing against America or big companies leads to suicide with a bullet to the back of the head.

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    The idea that any senators would attack anyone for supporting Snowden is much more disturbing than any of the bullshit accusations they toss at Gabbard.

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      This is the line that the American Senatorial Leadership wants to draw. You can take money from the Qatars until your pockets burst. You can hold really perverse anti-American views on a caste system and work to enshrine them in public law. You can play footsie with the fascist Modi regime in India, the mafia-style business cartels in S. Korea, Indonesia, and the Phillipines, and the Russian oligarchy.

      But to suggest that a Bush 43 Era massive domestic spying operation violated the 4th amendment?

      Get thee behind me, Satan!

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      No. She’s a Russian asset, and Russia purchased Snowden’s compliance with safe harbor. Everything else is theatre as far as she is concerned.

      The thing about wedge issues and propaganda is that they’re wedge issues for a reason, that there is something fundamentally wrong with the society that makes it divisive in the first place, as some advocate for change and others resent it.