Classic twisting of the thumb screws. The prisoners dilemma is functional of how trustworthy your co-conspirator is.
And its safe to say when it comes to people who seriously would consider trying to overthrow an election for personal gain, you cant trust any of em, so of course everyone is gonna crack. 10/10 this will be fun to watch
Except they’ve been achieving the optimal prisoner’s dilemma outcome until now by protecting each other. Idk, I won’t believe he’ll flip until he does. For all I know, this is just a way to plead for Trump’s help for funding legal fees out in the open.
I don’t think there are any funds.
Wouldn’t that be marvelous if it turned out the RNC funding was one gigantic ponzi scheme and all the money was going to pay-off Trumps debts?
Not really that far from the truth relatively speaking
It’s easy to stay in line while it’s working. The moment you are actually in court looking at years in prison, that’s when the dilemma really becomes tough to stick to.
Also, in this scenario, there is no guarantee that everyone staying in line will mean they get away. Which makes the calculus much much more complicated as opposed to when it’s just trying to avoid an indictment all together
Also, there’s an increased pressure to not be the first one to flip, but once someone flips, it’ll be a race to flip ASAP.
If you’re the first one to flip, you’ll get attacked by MAGA folks. However, they’re less likely to attack the second or third flipper.
Prosecutors will only take so many flips, though. What can the 10th person tell them that the first 9 haven’t? So if you’re waiting and someone flips, you want to flip early while prosecutors are still willing to make a deal.
I think we’ll see one person flip and then a mad dash for others to flip. They night even wait for the expedited cases. If those go badly, the rest of the bunch will be flipping as fast as they can shout “give us a deal please!”
It’s not really a Prisoner’s Dilemma when one prisoner doesn’t have the opportunity to flip, though - it’s not like if Trump agrees to testify against Meadows they’re going to reduce his sentence.
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But trump is, and has continuously been, too stupid to even do that. If he had ended it with “there are good people on both sides and we love you but please stop trying to murder pence” then none of this would be happening.
That would have no bearing on the New York trial, the documents trial or the Georgia elections trial.
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Why would they have faded away? He still broke the law in Georgia. And the documents scandal has nothing to do with the election.
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So bribery or extortion? That fits.
The Nuremberg Defense probably works better if the person whose orders you claim to have been following is still alive and ranting on Twitter about how they damn well were his orders and he takes credit for the whole thing.
Remember to bend the knees Mark, and look back as you follow through the flip.
feverently munching on popcorn
You probably meant fervently or feverishly (which may be even funnier)
Yup. It’s been a day already. Either works. 😔🤣
Lmao.
So, are you allowed to call in to Hannity’s show from federal prison? What about state prison? Asking for someone who is definitely not a friend.
It would depend on the warden
I hope Trump gets a friendly warden. Someone who will let him have contact with the outside world so his base can see how pitiful their caged buffoon is. I’m sure there will be vigils outside the gate, and maybe even an escape attempt…
maybe some toilet Pruno.
I don’t think it will help. Pre-trial non-incarcerated Trump is already buffoonishly pathetic and all it does is make the smoothbrains cheer louder.
I’m amusing myself with the idle day dreams of a warden that lets him watch all the news, and see twitter and his dumpster-fire-platform… and even face book, but it’s all strictly one way. So he can see the world move on and forget about him.
then again that might actually constitute cruel and unusual punishment, in his case.
I don’t see why all of them are not telling on Trump. Trump certainly doesn’t care about them and I believe if Trump could blame it all on them, he would.
I think some of them are deluded enough to think that it really is like an impeachment and any jury is going to be hopelessly deadlocked between its Democratic and Republican members. Or that the deep state will work its magic, retire all the prosecutors, and there will never even be trials.
I mean, these are generally not smart people with firm grip on reality we’re talking about.
Well, the Georgia legislature already has members trying to get rid of Fani Willis, and if they can stall them out that long, the federal cases will disappear under the next Republican president.
Yeah but that’s not happening, it’s nowhere near the same situation as the impeachments. Kemp is ensuring Fanni is left alone by that bullshit so she can focus on the case.
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They have nothing to lose by turning on Trump at this point.
The rabid MAGA idiots will threaten them. But to that I say, oh no, too bad, let me make some popcorn
Getting killed by medicated trump cultists?
Love watching sharks turn on one another.
Rev up the circular firing squad and I’ll grab some popcorn…
At this point, I don’t get really what is gained by flipping people against Trump. The argument isn’t that he did or didn’t do something. The argument is (in the minds of the jury at least) is what he did against the law. Yes, it might seem clear to us that it was, but to some Trump supporter on the jury having someone else say ‘Trump did a thing’, doesn’t change their mind that the thing he did and admits to doing is illegal.
Cooperation from co-conspirators is always helpful.
Trump’s current strategy (or, at least what we can discern from his lawyers’ TV appearances) is to blame the lawyers he had at the time of the election. If all these co-conspirators point the finger directly at Trump, that goes a loooong way to proving that he was the ringleader. Not some lawyer. Not some aide. Trump called the shots.
That’s what they want.
Just imagine someone close to the whole situation turns against Trump as a witness.They could provide the extra juicy bits that would make impressing the jury much easier.
The GOP Civil War rages on.
Dooooooo it!
And now we wait. Hopefully this guy follows through and flip like a gymnast on steroids.
This promises to be the greatest media spectacle of all time.
