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      Because manufacturing super high tech chips is extremely hard and complicated and basically only a couple companies in the world can do it and they also depend on parts and technology from other companies all over the “western” world. China didnt have anything near this capability. It requires advanced research and knowhow on a million different technologies. So unless China does extensive industrial espionage(which they are trying to do), it’s gonna take them like 10+ years to start producing anything relatively modern without needing any external parts/help.

      In any case, it remains to be seen if it is actually 7nm. With a new cold war ramping up, China is trying to become self-reliant as much as possible.

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        Let me summarise your point above: “the yellow people are too stupid to make chips. If the are doing it, they must be stealing from smart Westerners.”

        Just how racist are you?

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          Neither Europe nor the US can make chips like this, thats why they are trying so hard to convince TSMC to make a chip fab in their territories. Does this mean that white people are too stupid to make chips? No, they just cant atm and they arent willing to invest the infinite time and money it would take to reach that level, especially since their ally Taiwan(TSMC) is already making the most advanced chips in the world.

          China on the other hand needs to become more self reliant, especially with the new Cold War escalating. So they have to do it. And they are doing it. But it will still take a lot of time and money to be able to manufacturer modern high end chips.

          TSMC is taiwanese, which is “yellow” people. Why are you trying to spin this as a racist thing? Literally the best people in the world manufacturing chips are taiwanese(han). Why would anyone think that the chinese, who are basically the same ethnicity(han), wont be able to make advanced chips because of racial reasons?

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          I’m usually one to attack the “china bad” crowd but the OP isn’t wrong unfortunately.

          It requires immense connections throughout the world (namely Netherlands for etching and USA for schematics).

          The argument is honestly “the yellow people are so disliked via western influence that the other white counties won’t sell them tech to make chips”

          Chips = military power; and clearly the west doesn’t like the idea of helping China. Is that right? Nah. Was OP being racist? I don’t think so tbh.

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      sinophobia mostly, think people who breathlessly watch the “china will collapse in 2 hours!?!?!” clickbait videos every time it pops up in their recommended and believe it every time

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        It’s not sinophobia. Neither the EU nor the US can manufacture high tech chips, which is why they are sucking TSMC’s dick in order to make some chip fabs in their territory. It’s extremely hard and expensive to develop(or start developing) this. It’s literally the most technologically advanced thing humans make.

        And even TSMC relies on western companies all over their world for the manufacturing of their tools and tech. But since China does not have that luxury, they have to make everything from scratch and that is extremely hard. I am still not convinced China can make 7nm but remains to be seen.

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          Strawman. Hyperbole. Whataboutism. Ad hominem. Ad absurdum. Anecdotal evidence. Citations needed. Fact check pending. Illegal right turn. Curb your dog. That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence. smuglord