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  • h3doublehockeysticks [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    I’ve seen the hate of Khrushchev reach a point where people are defending Beria. It does not happen super often, but it happens and I’ve seen it, and it’s fucking weird guys.

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        Lysenko is interesting as a demonstration of how ideology - even a good ideology like communism - colors the way a society practices science and interprets scientific findings. This can be bad, as in Lysenkoism, but it can also be good, like how the USSR rightfully decried eugenics as a fascist bourgeois practice and banned it in the 30s, as opposed to the liberal capitalists, whose Malthusianism to this day leads them to

        CW: racism

        forcibly sterilize people for failing the paper bag test

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          Normally when people defend Lysenko, they at best cite his work on vernalization, and therefore his early recognition of the scientific validity of epigenetics, but in all honestly his actual theoretical work and the consequences of his views, actions and program has very little strong bearing for the modern science of epigenetics. Despite the fact that at the end of the day he played a direct, personal, important role in holding back the development of the biological sciences in the USSR, for deeply anti-scientific (therefore, by definition and nature, anti-marxist) reasons. He also played a role in having the best biologists of the USSR put to death, while he himself had no deep theoretical knowledge and didn’t contribute any.

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            Sure, but he’s pointing out how lysenkoism is a manifestation of ideology in science, not a critique of the man himself and his scientific acumen. The actual skill and correctness of Lysenko is not what they’re talking about. He’s talking about how a society that sees the individual and the collective not as a series of decisions made by their forebears, but as a collection of interests with agency, has an easier time accepting that actually heredity is not only problematic when applied to humanity, but could also be problematic as applied to life in general.

            The USSR rejected eugenics not merely as a pseudoscienticic belief, but also as a matter of it being a heinous idea. Likewsie Lysenkoism did not just appeal to the soviet leadership because it opened up the possibility of turning Siberia into a verdant garden, but also because Lysenkoism sounds more morally “right”

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              Okay sure. Fair and true enough.

              What is interesting though is that’s a great historical exemplar of something I frankly think we are communists and leftists do often, of confusing progressive aspects of our thought (in this case, rejection of eugenics) and a ‘vulgar’, and ultimately regressive aspect (in this case, rejection of genetics on the classic mistaken idea that empirically supported science must be incorrect if we can vaguely interpret or connote it as regressive).In this case of the USSR, it also reflects a deep institutional malfunction at the level of the relationship between the state-party parallel structure and institutions such as those of scientific research and development.

              The whole history of biology is fascinating actually in terms of political biography because so many of its most imporant pioneers were either fuckinf rad commie materialists or rather social darwinist eugenicists.