> Greta Thunberg > @GretaThunberg
[https://x.com/GretaThunberg/status/1852331823428247927] > > #UsaElection
#USA2024 #StopArminglsrael #FreePalestine #ClimateJusticeNow > > This year we
have seen many defining elections all over the world. On November 5th, It is
time for one of the most powerful countries in the world — the USA — to go to
the polls. It is probably Impossible to overestimate the consequences this
specific election will have for the world and for the future of humanity. > >
There is no doubt that one of the candidates — Trump — is way more dangerous
than the other. But no matter if Trump or Harris wins, the USA — a country built
on stolen land and genocide on indigenous people -will soll be an imperialist
hyper-capitalist world power that will ultimately continue to lead the world
further into a racist, unequal world with an ever increasingly escalating
climate- and environmental emergency. > > With this in mind, my main message to
Americans is to remember that you cannot only settle for the least worst option.
Democracy is not only every four years on election day, but also every hour of
every day in between. You cannot think you have done “enough’ only by voting,
especially when both those candidates have blood on their hands. Lets not forget
that the genocide in Palestine is happening under the Biden and Harris
administration, with American money and complicity. It is not in any way
'feminist.” “progressive” or “humanitarian” to bomb innocent children and
civilians — it is the opposite, even It it is a woman in charge. And this is of
course one example among many of American imperialism. I cannot for my life
understand how some can even pretend to talk about humanitarian values, without
even questioning their own role In further deepening global oppression and
massacres of entire countries. > > So, Americans, you must do everything in your
power to call out this extreme hypocrisy and the catastrophic consequences
American Imperialism has on a global scale. Be uncomfortable, fill the streets,
block, organise, boycott, occupy, explicitly call out those in power whose
actions and Inaction lead to death and destruction. Join and support those who
are resisting and leading the change. Nothing less will ever be acceptable.
Mod of !anarchism@slrpnk.net posts a great Greta Thunberg quote, but then tries to use it to justify not voting in the upcoming US election
Multiple people point out that’s very clearly not what she meant
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Using your mod powers to decide who is allowed and not allowed to speak is not very anarchist of you, @mambabasa@slrpnk.net
In my experience, organizing anything along with the type of person who starts accusing people of “evilism” and insists on removing them from the group, when they say something like “your plan might kill a lot of people, so I want to do this other plan instead,” is a ballache and a half and often doesn’t succeed.
I’m still waiting to hear what punishment you think I should have received instead of the slap on the wrist. I tried to quit the conversation, but you got me hooked back in again.
What’s my plan? To remind people what they’re voting for? To remind people voting isn’t enough? That plan? You’re the one who has been belittling me in the past several days over basic principled positions on opposition to genocide. You willfully and freely provide ideological cover for Harris. You simply are not entitled to do that in anarchist spaces. That’s literally all there is.
Your plan is to encourage people not to vote for Democrats. If Trump gets elected, that plan will kill a whole lot of people. You posted a quote by Greta Thunberg that touched on it briefly, you might remember.
You also had something to say about Jill Stein, a long long time ago, which isn’t real compatible with your current “electoralism is banworthy” stance. You also seem to care a ton about the election and about Kamala Harris, for a anti-electoralist who’s not from the US. Mostly I think you are trying to elect Trump, and the whole thing about anarchism is a facade. That’s why I am not nice to you.
I don’t even know who Jill Stein is, asshole. Now you’re just making shit up.
And if that’s my plan, then obviously it’s a pointless and doomed endeavor. I know people won’t listen to me. I know I can’t influence the American election as a non-American in not-America. Yet anarchists must say what only anarchists can say. And that is why I speak out against genocide.
So, you didn’t understand the context of the joke at all, but just posted it anyway because it had the words “Harris” and “Cheney” in it? Or what happened that made you decide to post that, not knowing who Jill Stein is?
Oh wow. I actually thought about bringing this up somewhere, but it was late and I went to sleep, I didn’t know that there was already a post. On one hand I’m glad this got out, on the other hand it saddens me that this likely did a lot of damage to both the community and the view of anarchists in general, since it takes just one person like this to overshadow 10 anarchists willing to have conversations in good faith. But we are where we are now, what’s left is to see how we move forward. Thanks for the mention
Y’all are barking up the wrong tree. Might I remind you this is the most winnable election in history. Harris sabotaged her own campaign because of her own bloodlust. She promised “the most lethal military.” Go get mad at her if you need someone to get mad at. I frankly don’t care for these third party losers, half of them tankies, the other half TERFs. They won’t make Harris lose. Harris herself digs her own grave and yours. She could win this by just opposing Israel, but she won’t, and you’re angry at me? Yet you’re angry at people with principles? I will not blame people for not voting for more Palestinian death.
What a calm and reasonable explanation for why you said you have no idea who Jill Stein is and posted a Jill Stein meme a couple days ago.
And I’m not angry at you for “principles.” I was annoyed that you banned me because I was speaking against turbo-genocide, and now I’m intrigued that you might have fucked up your ruse and might actually be the glowie that I started suspecting you of being, starting today.
Whether or not they are a state actor, they are absolutely a bad faith actor and I doubt that they have any real closely held beliefs about anarchism. They’ve been at this shit for a while.
I don’t care about this Jill person, but I won’t hold it against people for not choosing more Palestinian death. You know, you don’t need to conduct ideological cover for genocide. You can just vote and not be an apologist. You continue to make the choice to lie about Harris’ program. Will you gladly and willfully walk over thousands of Palestinian corpses to cast your vote for the one who is killing them? Yes, you will. And you’ll provide ideological cover too.
I really don’t want to continue this. Ironically enough, it’s badly offtopic for this community. You felt incredibly strongly about needing to defend your space against people coming in and broadsiding their political opinions into it, and now you’re doing the same, in a lot more obnoxious fashion.
In my experience, organizing anything along with the type of person who starts accusing people of “evilism” and insists on removing them from the group, when they say something like “your plan might kill a lot of people, so I want to do this other plan instead,” is a ballache and a half and often doesn’t succeed.
I’m still waiting to hear what punishment you think I should have received instead of the slap on the wrist. I tried to quit the conversation, but you got me hooked back in again.
What’s my plan? To remind people what they’re voting for? To remind people voting isn’t enough? That plan? You’re the one who has been belittling me in the past several days over basic principled positions on opposition to genocide. You willfully and freely provide ideological cover for Harris. You simply are not entitled to do that in anarchist spaces. That’s literally all there is.
Your plan is to encourage people not to vote for Democrats. If Trump gets elected, that plan will kill a whole lot of people. You posted a quote by Greta Thunberg that touched on it briefly, you might remember.
You also had something to say about Jill Stein, a long long time ago, which isn’t real compatible with your current “electoralism is banworthy” stance. You also seem to care a ton about the election and about Kamala Harris, for a anti-electoralist who’s not from the US. Mostly I think you are trying to elect Trump, and the whole thing about anarchism is a facade. That’s why I am not nice to you.
I don’t even know who Jill Stein is, asshole. Now you’re just making shit up.
And if that’s my plan, then obviously it’s a pointless and doomed endeavor. I know people won’t listen to me. I know I can’t influence the American election as a non-American in not-America. Yet anarchists must say what only anarchists can say. And that is why I speak out against genocide.
You posted this two days ago:
https://slrpnk.net/post/14792128
So, you didn’t understand the context of the joke at all, but just posted it anyway because it had the words “Harris” and “Cheney” in it? Or what happened that made you decide to post that, not knowing who Jill Stein is?
@AccountMaker@slrpnk.net and @MapleEngineer@lemmy.world FYI
Oh wow. I actually thought about bringing this up somewhere, but it was late and I went to sleep, I didn’t know that there was already a post. On one hand I’m glad this got out, on the other hand it saddens me that this likely did a lot of damage to both the community and the view of anarchists in general, since it takes just one person like this to overshadow 10 anarchists willing to have conversations in good faith. But we are where we are now, what’s left is to see how we move forward. Thanks for the mention
What?
This thread might interest you, as you were complaining about the propaganda in one of your comments who got linked above
Y’all are barking up the wrong tree. Might I remind you this is the most winnable election in history. Harris sabotaged her own campaign because of her own bloodlust. She promised “the most lethal military.” Go get mad at her if you need someone to get mad at. I frankly don’t care for these third party losers, half of them tankies, the other half TERFs. They won’t make Harris lose. Harris herself digs her own grave and yours. She could win this by just opposing Israel, but she won’t, and you’re angry at me? Yet you’re angry at people with principles? I will not blame people for not voting for more Palestinian death.
What a calm and reasonable explanation for why you said you have no idea who Jill Stein is and posted a Jill Stein meme a couple days ago.
And I’m not angry at you for “principles.” I was annoyed that you banned me because I was speaking against turbo-genocide, and now I’m intrigued that you might have fucked up your ruse and might actually be the glowie that I started suspecting you of being, starting today.
Whether or not they are a state actor, they are absolutely a bad faith actor and I doubt that they have any real closely held beliefs about anarchism. They’ve been at this shit for a while.
I don’t care about this Jill person, but I won’t hold it against people for not choosing more Palestinian death. You know, you don’t need to conduct ideological cover for genocide. You can just vote and not be an apologist. You continue to make the choice to lie about Harris’ program. Will you gladly and willfully walk over thousands of Palestinian corpses to cast your vote for the one who is killing them? Yes, you will. And you’ll provide ideological cover too.
I really don’t want to continue this. Ironically enough, it’s badly offtopic for this community. You felt incredibly strongly about needing to defend your space against people coming in and broadsiding their political opinions into it, and now you’re doing the same, in a lot more obnoxious fashion.