Dragon "Rider"(drag)@lemmy.nz to Trans Memes@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish · 19 hours agoDrag didn't do that...lemmy.nzimagemessage-square26fedilinkarrow-up146arrow-down121
arrow-up125arrow-down1imageDrag didn't do that...lemmy.nzDragon "Rider"(drag)@lemmy.nz to Trans Memes@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish · 19 hours agomessage-square26fedilink
minus-squarePyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zonelinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up8arrow-down2·17 hours agoMy interpretation here is the first person (I), second person (you), and third person (he/she/they) pronouns are disregarded and are all represented by the neopronoun “drag”. I.e. use drag whenever you reference dragonfucker and you’re golden.
minus-squareSkyezOpen@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up6·15 hours agoIf you just one for one swap you run into weird grammar. What do drag want to do? Is that right or…?
minus-squarerain_worl@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up3arrow-down1·14 hours agosame with swapping in ‘they’! i think most pronouns are singular, only ‘they’ is plural due to legacy junk, see: what does he want to do? what does drag want to do? what does the cat want to do? what do they want to do? what do the cats want to do? perhaps we should move towards singular they, eg ‘what does they want to do?’
minus-squarePyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zonelinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up1arrow-down2·15 hours agoPerfect (per my understanding)!
minus-squarezagaberoo@beehaw.orglinkfedilinkarrow-up5·16 hours agoThat makes sense, but what is the material difference? Isn’t it ultimately the same thing by a different name?
minus-squarePyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zonelinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up3arrow-down1·16 hours agoMaterial difference of specific pronouns? Someone feels better, and I’m out no extra effort, I guess… It’s as much difference as personal preference in chocolate bar brands.
minus-squarezagaberoo@beehaw.orglinkfedilinkarrow-up6·16 hours agoI totally get respecting specific pronouns, no confusion there. I don’t see how the scenario presented in OP is different from wanting to be referred to in the third person.
minus-squarePyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zonelinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up2·16 hours agoAh! Effectively none. Which does bring up an unusual case: how should drag be referred to as part of a group? They and drag? Or would just they suffice?
minus-squareDragon "Rider"(drag)@lemmy.nzOPlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up2·10 hours agoThey. It’s the same as if you refer to a group of people with a man in it. The “he” is discarded. Drag doesn’t use plural independent pronouns.
minus-squarezagaberoo@beehaw.orglinkfedilinkarrow-up2·16 hours agoSome degree of identity erasure is inherent with mass pronouns; interesting question!
My interpretation here is the first person (I), second person (you), and third person (he/she/they) pronouns are disregarded and are all represented by the neopronoun “drag”.
I.e. use drag whenever you reference dragonfucker and you’re golden.
If you just one for one swap you run into weird grammar.
Is that right or…?
same with swapping in ‘they’! i think most pronouns are singular, only ‘they’ is plural due to legacy junk, see:
perhaps we should move towards singular they, eg ‘what does they want to do?’
Perfect (per my understanding)!
That makes sense, but what is the material difference? Isn’t it ultimately the same thing by a different name?
Material difference of specific pronouns? Someone feels better, and I’m out no extra effort, I guess…
It’s as much difference as personal preference in chocolate bar brands.
I totally get respecting specific pronouns, no confusion there.
I don’t see how the scenario presented in OP is different from wanting to be referred to in the third person.
Ah! Effectively none.
Which does bring up an unusual case: how should drag be referred to as part of a group? They and drag? Or would just they suffice?
They. It’s the same as if you refer to a group of people with a man in it. The “he” is discarded. Drag doesn’t use plural independent pronouns.
Some degree of identity erasure is inherent with mass pronouns; interesting question!