If I were to take a standard AC to DC converter, say a laptop charger, and hook up the input side (which expects 120VAC at 60Hz) to a DC power supply of some sorts, will the electricity still be “converted,” or will it just not work at all? I am clearly very uneducated when it comes to electronics (albeit working on it) so I would very much an ELI5 answer Thanks!

  • directive0@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Please excuse this attempt from a mere technician.

    The waveform on the far left is the electrical signal fed into the rectifier. It illustrates a current that starts at zero, then reaches its full positive amplitude, then comes back to zero, then reaches the full negative, then back to zero. This represents an AC or alternating current. This is the way electricity comes out of your wall, usually.

    DC or direct current is instead just a constant horizontal line. Ideally no change in the current. This is what we get from batteries and is used in most of our smaller devices like computers and smartphones. So naturally its handy to have a device that “adapts” the AC to DC. A common part of AC to DC Adapters is a rectifier.

    The diagram in the center of the image is the schematic of a full bridge rectifier. It shows the two wires that feed into the rectifier on the left, these are then split into an arrangement of diodes represented by triangles with lines at their tips. Diodes essentially only allow current in one direction. The line is representative of a “direction” of the flow. The particular way these diodes are arranged means that no matter what kind of signal is fed in it will never produce a negative voltage at the output.

    By using this arrangement we can feed in the AC signal and sort of flip the negative of part of that signal so the waveform looks like the one on the right. You can see that the waveform now is only above the line representing zero.

    This is however only one step in the process of a power regulation and so as others have pointed out its not as simple as it may seem. Usually a transformer is used to step up or down voltages, and those are not designed to be used with DC and I believe could be damaged?

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      “DC or direct current is instead just a constant horizontal line.”

      Your explanation is totally correct. (I replied as well just to break it down a little further for OP). I know I’m being a little pedantic, but DC does not have to be constant. DC can also pulse and change. The main difference is whether or not the signal remains positive. If it goes negative, then it is AC. The change in polarity is what matters, not how constant it is.

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      1 year ago

      Good explanation.

      As @directive0 said, the diodes (triangles in the above circuit) only conduct in one direction.

      On the AC wave (top left) in the positive half, two diodes are conducting. In the negative half, the other two diodes are conducting.

      The two sets of diodes are connected so that the positive half and the negative half of the sine wave come out on the same line. Since the waveform on the right of the image is all positive (ignore the bumps), it is considered DC.

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      1 year ago

      If I may, could I ask some more clarifying questions?

      What does a transformer do? Does it lower the voltage of the power lines coming into the house?

      So the rectifier converts the power from AC to DC?

      What is the filter filtering out? It seems like maybe it makes the positive current stay powerful enough to maintain a minimum positive charge.

      Does a regulator work by assessing the need of the device using power and then provide the power according to the needs?

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        Transformers raise or lower voltage of ac circuits. They also do the opposite to current, e.g. Raise voltage, lower current.

        The rectifier makes all the voltage positive (or negative, but all the same). So yes, AC -> DC

        The filter basically uses inductors and capacitors to act as storage. Using capacitor as an example, it’ll start charging when the wave starts to rise. once the wave goes down, the capacitor discharges which keeps the output more positive. You can see that in the image by full humps before and partial humps after. It’s still bumpy, but it never goes to zero.

        The regulator can do a couple of things, mostly it’s used to ensure a constant output. In it’s most basic, it’ll be another diode that if voltage goes above a certain threshold, it shunts it away from the load. So if the output of the filter had a minimum of 5 volts and the regulator was set to 5, you’ll end up with a constant positive 5 volts because the diode is shunting away all the extra voltage.

        Regulators can provide both over and under voltage protection in case there is fluctuations in the circuit.