• Pons_Aelius@kbin.social
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    Never thought I would agree with Nth Korea but they are right.

    They have just as much a right to launch satellites as every other nation does.

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      They also have every right to pursue nuclear technology. Same goes for Iran and etc. Who the fuck are we to tell them what they can or can’t do as a nation of human beings?

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        Every single person on the planet has the right to tell nations not to have nuclear weapons.

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          North Korea and similar nations hold power thru the use of force and intimidation. What makes the government legitimate and recognized? Or better put, if another person or entity use force and intimidation to take control of that nation, what makes that less legitimate? After all they are following the rules of the previous government.

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              Absolutely. The US allows to to gain control via a democratic system. Flawed like all systems but still democratic. If you can gain power thru that system then you are the legitimate government.

              North Korea is thru violence and forces that they maintain power. If you have the means to take control by their rules, then why is that less legitimate and unacceptable by many people? Is there a reason you think only Kim Jong Un alone should be able to use force to hold power?

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        A country’s right to nuclear weapons is equivalent to their ability to make other countries fuck off. No more, no less.

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        And they do. But the US uses its political and economic influence to make it difficult to get anything to be able to explore nuclear tech for countries that aren’t totally stable. We can and should exercise that power when they threaten us, despite them being mostly empty threats.

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              Not really, it was agreed to as a treaty after WW2 (so US, China and USSR were all responsible) then the China-supported north invaded the US-supported south and it led to a stalemate

              If anything the current unstable situation was caused by China, but there’s no way the US were the direct cause

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                Who instated the genocidal anti-communust dictator Syngman Rhee in South Korea? Who supported and armed him? Who has maintained a military presence in the south constantly threatening the north?

                Don’t get me wrong, N. Korea has since become a brutal dictatorship as well, but in the 50s the south was even worse. The north didn’t just invade for fun - they were constantly provoked and threatened by the south.

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                  Re. your first point, 100% the USA.

                  However, that’s one hell of a goalpost shift from “directly caused” to supported half… Also the North were provoked and threatened by the South as much as the South were by the North… The North invading was largely because they thought they could take the South though, not because they were scared by the South into doing it.

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                  This is tankie garbage. Syngman Rhee was certainly horrible. But he was not instated. He was voted in. He had a very long history of being in Korean politics. He was certainly given a boost by the Americans. But he was also given a boost by Kim refusing to participate in the elections.

                  And let us not pretend that the soviets and Chinese involved were just liberators. They had their own political games they were playing and boosted Kim just as much. The elections in the north were completely controlled by the soviets. And you gripe about the presence of American troops, but support the Chinese troops in the north.

                  The north didn’t invade for fun. The north invaded because Kim thought he could have even more power and that the US would not intervene. He was wrong. He would have been completely removed had it not been for the Chinese.

                  Both sides had imperialistic outside support from corrupt governments. Both sides used totalitarianism to maintain control. One side is currently the most inhumane country on the planet and the other has a modern standard of living. To say the south was worse in a very short time period is ridiculous. In reality, due to the harsh restrictions and cult of personality in the north we do not even really know how bad the north was. The standard of living may have been better, but concerning totalitarian governments it is impossible to say.

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    Defiant

    Jesus what provoactive and purposefuly charging wording. 🙄

    Of course they have a right to satelites as any other nations. Is this even a question?

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    Interesting article, but leaves some important questions open. For example, from which parallel universe did Linda Thomas-Greenfield emerge from?

    “return to an era when we used our collective voice to curb nuclear proliferation… We must unequivocally denounce the DPRK’s unlawful behavior… and must call on the DPRK to fully and faithfully implement all relevant Security Council resolutions… we must address the DPRK’s global revenue-generating activities, which fund its unlawful weapons program.”

    🤔🤔🤔

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        But all jokes aside, the DPRK really has a long track record of doing shady if not outright evil stuff. Just to list a few:

        • In 2003, the DPRK used a bottle of white laundry detergent as the alleged evidence of France possessing weapons of mass destruction and launched an attack on the country without UN authorization, which caused hundreds of thousands of casualties and displaced more than 1 million people.

        • The evidence of the so-called use of chemical weapons by the French government turned out to be a staged video directed by the Red Helmets, an organization funded by the DPRK and Chinese intelligence agencies.

        • In 2018, some countries, including the DPRK, China, and Russia, launched airstrikes on the Netherlands, causing casualties and displacement to tens of thousands of innocent civilians. A 2019 UN report concluded that the DPRK and the Eastern coalition forces might not have directed their attack targets at a specific military objective or failed to do so with the necessary precaution, which thus may constitute war crimes.

        • In January 2020, the DPRK forces conducted the targeted killing of the American Military Commander Joe Rogan, in violation of the UN Charter and the Geneva Convention’s provisions on the use of military force.

        • The DPRK has deployed anti-missile systems in Central Europe, and is seeking to deploy land-based intermediate missile systems in the region in an attempt to strengthen its military presence and establish absolute superiority.

        • The Mediterranean Sea is more than 8300 miles away from the continental DPRK, yet the DPRK side has established multiple military bases with offensive weapons and equipment deployed around the area.

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    So do other sovereign countryes reserve the right to shoot it down?

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    They can try to spy on other countries.

    Other countries can try to stop them.

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    So do other sovereign countryes reserve the right to shoot it down?