The more I think about how we label race, the more I realize how arbitrary it all is. IIRC we used to consider Irish people as non-white at one point. That’s fucking bonkers
Well, in the sense that ofc “social sciences” would include history for one, and historically, it was recognised as a notion. And in the sense that that notion is a social construct, is something that modern social sciences would study, obviously.
I think you know — but now I’m saying in case you didn’t — that I meant that the notion that there is a biological race of any sort isn’t a notion modern science would agree with.
True dat. If it were, we’d likely have latin names for different races like “Homo sapiens sapiens caucasus” or some stupid shit, lmao. Nope, humans just have different colors and features naturally, and that’s pretty neat.
I’d probaby classify it more as human variants or sub-varients. Intially and historical origins of ancestors, blacks would’ve lived closer toward the equater of the earth where temperatures were warmer and more tropical and white folk lived in a bit cooler less tropical climates in the north. Our climates started off very different and we adapt to changing enviroments. I notice that american blacks are very different from african blacks. I think many american blacks are mixed or may have some italian in their genes. It’s interesting the many variants in people that barely have any classification if any. It can get quite complex and confusing, so many people just lump them in with others. This holds true for people of kinds too. Trying to fit in another form of classification can also be tricky, but not just because complex variants, but also people might get too easily offended. Had some neat ideas of classification, but some people might not see in the same light and might think it meant to offend.
“sub-variants”
“blacks”
“equater 🤠”
“american blacks vs african blacks”
just the entire lines between “it’s interesting…” and “…for people of kinds too.”
(((kkkomplex))) variant
had some neat ideas of classification
people might not see in the same light
think it meant to offend
gee, buddy, i wonder why.
look i won’t even begin to sit here and try to break down the problems with your rhetoric & diction for you, but whatever tf it is in your head that regards race; it got sum mad fucked up with it. like wtf does half of this racist drivel mean?? subvariants?? excuse me is it 1902??? i’d wager a bet your “neat ideas” for human classification are some of the most bigoted and awful things to come out of someone’s mouth, and you’d say them with complete unremorse and not a single wince of irony.
I come in more hoping for a disccusion, not a battle. Might i ask you to refrain from being rash or hostile. No reason this needs to get uncivil. Same for dasus. Having a mind set to win arguements is unneccessary here. Please talk to me, not at me.
“What the study of complete genomes from different parts of the world has shown is that even between Africa and Europe, for example, there is not a single absolute genetic difference, meaning no single variant where all Africans have one variant and all Europeans another one, even when recent migration is disregarded,”
Not sure how viable these sites are as sources, but also i don’t know enough about genetics to determine full extent of changes over long stretches of time. All i know is trying to apply a logical sense of possibilities. In my speculation, just though it to makes sense for climates that are more hot and sunny for people to adabt with darker skin. Even if different races have all the same genetics, might not mean the genetics are not used in different ways. Clearly there is something there that instructs people to have different skin colors and other minor changes. It’s not a bad thing to ask what causes these physical differences and why they occur. What you thoughts on what causes the variations of physcal differences if not genetics?
Why are you bothering to write all that shit when you can’t be bothered to take the few minutes to read those links? Which are from actual scientists, and not someone having racist brainfarts.
Bold to assume i hadn’t read it, also i wanna hear your thoughts. This a disccussion, not a debate. Im not used to this reddit style sites, im usually on messeagers with talking to people from logical perspectives, not people who just toss source links from jurnalist sites that tell you random scientist claims it true. You can throw as many journalist sources, scientist claims, bars, graphs as you like, i’d still like to hear your own individual thoughts that arent just random sources to claims. I wanna know you formed your own sense of reasoning or are just repeating what your told.
It’s really not “bold” to assume you haven’t read it when you just wrote a whole lot of asinine shit you think sounded proper and smart, when you didn’t even understand the part I quoted from them:
“What the study of complete genomes from different parts of the world has shown is that even between Africa and Europe, for example, there is not a single absolute genetic difference, meaning no single variant where all Africans have one variant and all Europeans another one, even when recent migration is disregarded,”
See you plain do not understand what that means. It’s clear as day from your comment.
Im not used to this reddit style sites, im usually on messeagers with talking to people from logical perspectives, not people who just toss source links from jurnalist sites that tell you random scientist claims it true.
Dude you’re literally saying that science doesn’t matter, while insisting that you must be right and that you’re “using logic” and that all the actual facts and science on the matter is “some random sources”. It’s not “some random sources”. It’s everyone. That the scientific consensus on the subject. If you claim it isn’t, then you get some fucking science to show instead of your weird gibberish.
It’s beyond obvious you haven’t read either of the links. DO SO.
“White” isn’t a race nor is it a culture. That’s why the definition keeps changing over time. In Western society, white people are still the predominant and dominant demographic, which is why it’s still important to discuss issues of race and culture with members of those races and culture. “Not seeing race” isn’t a virtue, it’s sticking your head in the sand and pretending you’re enlightened.
The more I think about how we label race, the more I realize how arbitrary it all is. IIRC we used to consider Irish people as non-white at one point. That’s fucking bonkers
They’re not white they’re ghostly, ain’t no sun there
👻
Also race isn’t something science thinks is a thing, really
Social sciences do though.
Well, in the sense that ofc “social sciences” would include history for one, and historically, it was recognised as a notion. And in the sense that that notion is a social construct, is something that modern social sciences would study, obviously.
I think you know — but now I’m saying in case you didn’t — that I meant that the notion that there is a biological race of any sort isn’t a notion modern science would agree with.
True dat. If it were, we’d likely have latin names for different races like “Homo sapiens sapiens caucasus” or some stupid shit, lmao. Nope, humans just have different colors and features naturally, and that’s pretty neat.
I’d probaby classify it more as human variants or sub-varients. Intially and historical origins of ancestors, blacks would’ve lived closer toward the equater of the earth where temperatures were warmer and more tropical and white folk lived in a bit cooler less tropical climates in the north. Our climates started off very different and we adapt to changing enviroments. I notice that american blacks are very different from african blacks. I think many american blacks are mixed or may have some italian in their genes. It’s interesting the many variants in people that barely have any classification if any. It can get quite complex and confusing, so many people just lump them in with others. This holds true for people of kinds too. Trying to fit in another form of classification can also be tricky, but not just because complex variants, but also people might get too easily offended. Had some neat ideas of classification, but some people might not see in the same light and might think it meant to offend.
gee, buddy, i wonder why.
look i won’t even begin to sit here and try to break down the problems with your rhetoric & diction for you, but whatever tf it is in your head that regards race; it got sum mad fucked up with it. like wtf does half of this racist drivel mean?? subvariants?? excuse me is it 1902??? i’d wager a bet your “neat ideas” for human classification are some of the most bigoted and awful things to come out of someone’s mouth, and you’d say them with complete unremorse and not a single wince of irony.
I come in more hoping for a disccusion, not a battle. Might i ask you to refrain from being rash or hostile. No reason this needs to get uncivil. Same for dasus. Having a mind set to win arguements is unneccessary here. Please talk to me, not at me.
And all that is garbage that belongs with the race-scientist of the early 20th century.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/02/the-unwelcome-revival-of-race-science
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/
Not sure how viable these sites are as sources, but also i don’t know enough about genetics to determine full extent of changes over long stretches of time. All i know is trying to apply a logical sense of possibilities. In my speculation, just though it to makes sense for climates that are more hot and sunny for people to adabt with darker skin. Even if different races have all the same genetics, might not mean the genetics are not used in different ways. Clearly there is something there that instructs people to have different skin colors and other minor changes. It’s not a bad thing to ask what causes these physical differences and why they occur. What you thoughts on what causes the variations of physcal differences if not genetics?
Why are you bothering to write all that shit when you can’t be bothered to take the few minutes to read those links? Which are from actual scientists, and not someone having racist brainfarts.
Bold to assume i hadn’t read it, also i wanna hear your thoughts. This a disccussion, not a debate. Im not used to this reddit style sites, im usually on messeagers with talking to people from logical perspectives, not people who just toss source links from jurnalist sites that tell you random scientist claims it true. You can throw as many journalist sources, scientist claims, bars, graphs as you like, i’d still like to hear your own individual thoughts that arent just random sources to claims. I wanna know you formed your own sense of reasoning or are just repeating what your told.
It’s really not “bold” to assume you haven’t read it when you just wrote a whole lot of asinine shit you think sounded proper and smart, when you didn’t even understand the part I quoted from them:
See you plain do not understand what that means. It’s clear as day from your comment.
Dude you’re literally saying that science doesn’t matter, while insisting that you must be right and that you’re “using logic” and that all the actual facts and science on the matter is “some random sources”. It’s not “some random sources”. It’s everyone. That the scientific consensus on the subject. If you claim it isn’t, then you get some fucking science to show instead of your weird gibberish.
It’s beyond obvious you haven’t read either of the links. DO SO.
“White” isn’t a race nor is it a culture. That’s why the definition keeps changing over time. In Western society, white people are still the predominant and dominant demographic, which is why it’s still important to discuss issues of race and culture with members of those races and culture. “Not seeing race” isn’t a virtue, it’s sticking your head in the sand and pretending you’re enlightened.