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      As much as nice it sounds, this is not entirely true. Because Steam Deck is not just a PC and cannot share the same enjoyment and benefits of a regular PC, because its a handheld. I believe the Steam Deck should be handled as its own class of hardware, like a console is and do a PC showcase on its own.

      For a small game that runs easily on the Deck and is mainly played with a gamepad, this is probably fine. But for lot of other games this cannot be said. I love my Steam Deck and my local PC, but they need to be treated separately for effective marketing.

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        Add a keyboard, mouse and monitor, which are already required for every other pc, and you can do everything on the steam deck that you can on any other pc. The steamdeck just has the additional functionality of working without those if you so choose.

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          and you can do everything on the steam deck that you can on any other pc

          Ok, how do I use rsync on the deck then? (/s, but I’d still love to know)

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            1. Turn on
            2. Open desktop mode (in power menu I think)
            3. Open terminal
            4. Type rsync <source> <destination>
            5. Press enter
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        It plays PC games, runs a PC OS, has a PC DE (KDE Plasma), includes standard PC ports (with a dock that includes even more standard PC ports), has a standard PC uefi bios, uses a PC APU, and has a PC like trackpad along with a virtual keyboard. Also if a game works well with controllers itll work well with Steam Deck (even if it doesn’t it usually works well). Functionally speaking how is this different then a tablet PC with a controller? (In terms of if its a PC)

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          Its targeted by developers like a console is, its a specific hardware that developers can optimize for. And the operating system and user interface is optimized for gaming. That’s the Console portion of it. Steam Deck is a PC hardware in handheld form factor and a Console treatment, which developers can target specifically for, unlike other handheld PCs with Windows.

          Steam Deck is not just a PC, and its not just a handheld. Its a console that can be targeted.

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            the operating system and user interface is optimized for gaming

            Most of the “optimizations” are either generic Linux improvements that exist in many distros or are can be easily installed on any PC. Meanwhile the UI is literally just Steam gamepadui, any PC could access it, any PC can launch Steam on boot and set Steam to launch into Steam big picture mode. The only optimizations are just a set of good defaults and software that works well together.

            Its a console that can be targeted

            Yeah because its a popular piece of hardware running amazing software, thats something Windows handhelds dont have. What people dont understand about SteamOS is it isn’t that optimized, thats because Linux is so optimized as an OS that Valve doesn’t need to do much on top of it.

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              There is even an API in Steam that directly targets the Steam Deck. Steam Deck can be programmatically identified by its API, just like any other console. This is a key factor.

              We are not speaking about any random hardware configuration or tablet, we are speaking about a device with software and hardware specifically designed, build, tested, targeted and marketed as a single unit. Exactly what a console is. However, I’m not disregarding its roots of PC. What I am saying is, that Steam Deck does not represent PC “very well”; its its own thing, even compared to other handheld PCs. If the Steam is marketed as a PC, then it won’t get the support from the developers.

              Steam Deck is its own category, besides general PC. Games need to have different Spec Recommendations for PC and one specific optimized version for Steam Deck. Both are separated.

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        I get what you’re saying - some games aren’t fun on steam deck controls, or just run like a dog.

        But, look at it differently - It’s a PC by virtue of the fact you only have to buy it once to use it in both. My 10 year old XPS laptop and my gaming desktop are very different classes of hardware as well, but they’ll both run Plants vs Zombies that I bought once.

        I can’t say that about the stuff I bought on Switch and want to keep playing on Steam Deck.

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    For transparency, I have a gaming PC. I have a Steam Deck. I love the Steam Deck to death and would never give it up. For many people, it is the closest thing they will see to PC gaming. I can say without a doubt that the Steam Deck is a PC in the same way a chicken is a wild bird. Can you do 90% of PC related tasks with the Steam Deck? Yes, but with a lot more work, and much more required knowledge. It’s not even because of the OS, which is great because it’s just Linux based. It’s because the Steam Deck does not put necessary parts that average PC users need as forward facing concepts.

    The Steam Deck is a console first, and a PC in a pinch and I wouldn’t have it any other way. It’s the reason I love the device, but also use it less. A good example is modding Elden Ring for Seamless Co-op. You can do it, and it’s not HARD per se, but you may have to find files in the OS to make sure Steam knows to open them, and because of how the file tree works in Linux vs Windows it isn’t really a simple case of “type the file name in search”.

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      Look, if they’re gonna use a device running Linux* instead of Windows to represent “PC,” I sure as Hell ain’t gonna complain about it even if it is a handheld!

      (* legitimate Linux, as opposed to some bastardized and Tivoized thing like Android or what they put on TVs)

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      It seems to me like most PC gamers don’t touch mods unless there’s an easy automated way to install them, something like steam workshop or maybe a mod manager if they’re feeling adventurous. It’s true that mods are harder to do on linux/deck right now, but I’m hoping with the rise of official mod managers that support linux it won’t be any harder. Games that use steam workshop or have built in mod support (like BG3 and Deep Rock Galactic) are already just as easy to install mods on deck compared to windows.

      I think the Deck is in a nice place where it streamlines the gaming experience for most people, but still gives you the option to do more advanced things if you want.

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    This is so exciting, gives me hope. Rockstar making gta5 not playable on deck for no good reason made me lose hope. So I guess this balance the scales