‘Not our tradition’: calls in Sweden to ban fathers walking brides down the aisle
www.theguardian.com
Popularised by Hollywood and the wedding of the crown princess, the patriarchal ‘handover’ is catching on. Now Lutherans want to stop it
  • magnetosphere@fedia.io
    21·
    2 个月前

    I was surprised that they endorse the theory of evolution, too. For such a backwards organization, they can have some unexpected moments of clarity.

    • yannic@lemmy.ca
      61·
      2 个月前

      There’s a subtle difference between backwards and slow. Slow moves forwards, but… slowly. It turns out “giving away the bride” was introduced by protestants, I’m guessing recognizing pagan practice at the time as a result of no longer treating matrimony as a sacrament.

      • magnetosphere@fedia.io
        4·
        2 个月前

        By “backwards”, I had in mind church officials surrounded by gold and priceless artwork while there is still poverty in the world, and various child abuse scandals. Some of them practice the exact opposite of what they preach. That seems backwards to me.

        • yannic@lemmy.ca
          31·
          2 个月前

          If you mean humanity is filled with hypocrites, then definitely. I’m a hypocrite, too. Not that kind, but the “I want to raise my child to be at least not worse than I am” kind. Yes, the scandals are shameful. That’s why they’re called scandals, and it’s absolutely idiotic that the bishops (the administrative heads of particular churches) repeatedly thought covering things up was the right choice. Administrative ability should be a job requirement. Government transparency is a new thing, though, just in the past couple of generations, and business financial transparency more recently, so I imagine ecclestiastic administrative transparency will get will become an expectation in a few more. Give it 100 years or so, at least. Like I said: Slow.

          As for the priceless artwork, would you rather the grubby little hands of the public and researchers have access to it, or keep it in a private collection? I suppose both have their pro’s and con’s.

    • Telodzrum@lemmy.world
      33·
      2 个月前

      The Catholic Church was the source of most scientific discovery on the planet for over 1,000 years and you’re shocked that Evolution has been accepted by it for a long time?

      • magnetosphere@fedia.io
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        2 个月前

        Not shocked. Surprised. And yes, I was. The Catholic Church hasn’t made any major scientific discoveries for quite a while, and I don’t often associate religion with the scientific method.

        • yannic@lemmy.ca
          3·
          2 个月前

          Well, it’s not exactly in charge anymore.

          And it’s not so much “made” as “funded”, and that was the one of the issues with Galileo. Galileo turned his anger towards the individual signing his cheques, when it was a layman who was rallying clergy against him. A good analogue would be the lay-led organization “The Catholic League” in the United States of America.

          There’s so much that’s facinating about the Galileo affair, and that’s only the most recent thing I’ve learned: it was a secular opponent, Lodovico delle Colombe, who started adopting the appeal to authority fallacy by using religion as a defence against the theses behind Galileo’s studies.