- cross-posted to:
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- cross-posted to:
- tech@kbin.social
- 3dprinting@lemmy.world
This is a good example, why not all devices should be connected to foreign servers. Errors can happen everywhere. But it could end badly, if some Corporations make errors and creating trouble, which would otherwise not happen.
In the case of the 3D-printer it is not that bad (except it destroys itself or even gets on fire), also you can turn it off. But imagine a smart stove top that lights up a towel (or something similar) while nobody is home.
Not, that I think that it is not useful to have something like that, but wouldn’t it be nice, if that stuff would work locally? (with the WireGuard integration in modems, the access from outside of home with the smartphone, should also be no problem for non-tech people)
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
3D printers are one of the few remote-controlled devices in a house that can get hot enough to start a fire, and now, we’re learning that remote control system wasn’t fully thought through.
(Even if Bambu’s printers do have thermal runaway protection that might prevent a true fire from breaking out, Maker’s Muse suggested in January that system needed improvements, too.)
“Our team is working closely with our customers to provide the necessary assistance and make sure they are able to get back to printing in the shortest time possible.”
Issues like this also make us wonder about potential misuse and hacks, of course — if this printer can be remotely controlled by cloud servers to such a degree, what’s to stop Bambu employees and hackers from abusing that, including the live video feed from its cameras?
To Bambu’s credit, the company has a robust LAN-only mode that you can turn on in the printer’s settings, which allows you to send jobs over home or Wi-Fi instead of across the internet.
(Bambu even recently updated it with live video streaming over LAN, though you can currently only access that from the desktop slicer app, not your phone.)
I’m a bot and I’m open source!
laughs nervously in Creality while house burns to the ground
But surely, a 3D printer could/can. It’s just that the software that runs on it shouldn’t have shit security and there should be multiple safeguards and redundant fail-safe systems.
It shouldn’t be be required to use a cloud service in order to use a piece of hardware that you bought and paid for.
I’m disturbed seeing so many of the new consumer targeted 3D printers (and so many other products) going in the “cloud required” direction.
shouldn’t be be required to use a cloud service in order to use a piece of hardware that you bought and paid for.
of course. I didn’t really insinuate that it should.
I wasn’t disagreeing with you.
That’s true.
Like in the example, Why the heck should a stove should need cloud access. Or even better… a tesla power wall… -.-
Thats true. I assumed that the bamboo Labs printer has some kind of thermal shutdown / overheating protection.
But i guess that is not enough. They should also habe a fire detection. Something like a smoke detector (optional would also be fine)
My printer got one installed above (but this one is because i fear that my PSU is catching fire xD )
Some things should only be connected to the intranet
imagine a smart stove top that lights up a towel
Who in their right mind puts a towel on a cooking surface whether the surface is in use or not? That’s begging for problems to occur.
I take it you don’t have children.
I don’t either, just saying…
If it’s a child that’s putting things on the stove that don’t belong there (or any other hot surface) then it’s a child that needs to be taught better by their parents.
Yes, if a child makes a mistake (which they absolutely will make quite a few), then the parents are supposed to educate the child better. That’s a large part of parenting, nobody’s disputing that. That’s not the point though, the point is shit happens, and it only takes one mishap for all hell to break loose.
My roommate happened to burn like half of his entire back with 2nd and 3rd degree burns when he was 6 years old from hot grease on the stove. And he actually did know better, he just happened to have a mishap because he was young and a bit short to reach the stove properly.
Yeah maybe his mom shouldn’t have allowed him to use the stove so young, but shit happens in a single parent household when mom is gone to work to earn money for the bills and food and stuff.
imo i wouls want my device to connect directly to the internet once ipv6 comes along to allow for incoming traffic without editing configs
Interesting. I’ve just gone through Bambu’s main website, and the product specs, and there’s no mention of cloud connectivity except where it says “You can send prints by Bambu Studio … control your printer anytime anywhere”.
So, do does anyone know if Bambu printers explicitly require cloud connectivity, or can they be used without it? I was actually considering buying one until I read about this. My use case would typically be using it with Octoprint.
We have a Bambu Labs X1C at work and it is not hooked up to our network. We run it off a SD card like any other printer. Only downside is you can’t access the camera to check in remotely while it’s printing.
Hmmm - do you know if USB is an option? My current printer is plugged into a dedicated RasPi with Octoprint.
Edit: and thanks for the reply - it’s good to know the device isn’t crippled without cloud. Annoying that you can’t use the camera on your local network though. May be a deal breaker for me anyway.
Sorry, should have specified. If you have it connected to the local wifi network, then the camera works. We don’t have it hooked up to anything which is why the camera isn’t accessible for us.
I’ll have to check it out on Monday to see if there’s any usb ports.
Yeah, I just moved into a place with a Nest preinstalled. I’m terrified the thing will, any day now, become part of a zombie botnet.
I need to get it DMZ’d
A dumb thermostat is a cheap and easy thing to install. Even if you’re renting. Odds are when you reinstall the old one when you leave, no one will ever know.
3D printers are one of the few remote-controlled devices in a house that can get hot enough to start a fire
They can also kill you with carbon monoxide if they’re not vented properly.
Wait what?!? 😅 What kind of 3D-printer did they use?
Do FDM-printer emit that much carbon monoxide?
I don’t think they do that story is just people jumping to conclusions. They can produce toxic fumes, but I don’t know where carbon monoxide would come from.
https://3dprint.com/163470/did-a-3d-printer-just-kill-people/
They could burn some of the Material, but the Gases which get produced by this should not be enough to kill someone (else way more people would be dead i guess).
You are right. I think it would have to be malfunctioning. Don’t think a properly working one would burn any thing. I had the feeling from some of the articles that people were under the impression a usual and properly working ones were dangerous because of carbon monoxide. The same risk is true of any electric device. It could burn slowly. Everyone should have a carbon monoxide detector and still vent things properly either way. :)
The same risk is true of any electric device.
Yeah, that’s right. Better safe than sorry :D
