Too obvious to be funny, but i still wanted to draw a shitpost.

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    You drive others deeper into their position

    You say that like they haven’t held that position through multiple farcical wars.

    I’m not the one driving them deeper into their position. They have chosen to do so themselves. Which is why they are more concerned about my civility than the millions starved and killed in the name of the rules based international order.

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      they are more concerned about my civility than the millions starved and killed in the name of the rules based international order.

      You say that like your know their level of concern or activity in regards to those.

      Consider someone starting to consider view points beyond how they were raised. Are they more or less likely to go toward someone with inflammatory rhetoric? The concept of a pipeline is hardly a new one.

      Believe it or not the world isn’t divisible into two camps. Why would you not encourage people to flow towards a direction that should be inviting?

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        Consider someone starting to consider view points beyond how they were raised.

        unironically, the bullying takes work. many of the people on this website are here because they got pressured for bad takes, got shocked and confused, and stuck around to learn more. others went wow those commies are funny and ended up doing the reading. civility only protects the status quo. we live in a fucked up world and pretending it’s not by masking how fucked up it is that people defend that status quo serves absolutely no one but the powerful. any tool that breaks people away from that reflexive defensive posture towards extant power is only an immeasurable good.

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          So if it breaks one person away but twenty more say they knew they were right about all them and refuse to ever attempt to engage in discussion again, that’s good?

          Yeah, it’s fucked. We have people insisting that trans people are grooming kids while preachers keep getting arrested for actually doing far more than the trans folks are even accused of. But if you throw a whole lot of the country into the deep end of the pool they’ll just drown while they take all the lifeguards down with them. But if you can let them dip their toes in the shallow end then you may find them swimming laps before you realize.

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            queer people started getting rights and acceptance after they started throwing bricks, not before. rights are taken, never granted. the genocidal policies will succeed in their project if they are not met forcefully. as a trans person, you can fuck all the way off - I will not be polite and civil with people who think my right to exist is open to debate. to accept the premise and engage in debate denies my own humanity. I exist, the people I love exist, and we will fight to the grave anyone who denies it. and I abso-fucking-lutely do not give a shit about the feelings of debatelords.

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              There’s a huge gap between people who think your right to exist is open to debate and a random person on the internet who doesn’t know what the position of the instance is.

              I pointed out that the overly polite statement in the comic is not reflective of reality and plenty of you are doing a great job of demonstrating that.

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        You say that like your know their level of concern or activity in regards to those.

        it’s self evident, given the issues they raise

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          Being able to tell the concerns of a person based off limited interactions over the Internet is a skill the world has never observed.

          Being willing to assume you know such things, however, is incredibly common

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            person posts about the civility of people complaining about NATO led mass murders

            you can’t just conclude they care more about civility than NATO’s warmongering

            thats a very lemmy.midwest thing to say

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                discusses NATO’s wars

                actually, where have i said anything about NATO?

                so you didn’t connect the dots when they talk about the international community or the coalition of the willing?

                thats why people don’t care to be civil to supporters. that and the odds they live in one the countries being attacked.

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              I’m very aware that it, like any form of trolling, is utilized as an excuse when it’s not what’s happened.

              Which is not to say that it doesn’t happen. False positives and false negatives are as much a reality as the thing itself.