I think Epstein would also be a 0, since we’re just counting “has touched”. Epstein touched himself all the time, but since Ghislaine is as much a 0 as some random passerby who walked into him on the street is a 0, then it shouldn’t matter how much contact you have, just that you have it.

Anyway by this method, my Epstein number is either 1 or 2, depending on wether Michael Kors has met Epstein personally.