At least now I know I still have a bit of an anger problem.

  • JayTwo [any]@hexbear.net
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    5 months ago

    The general idea that, if you’re on public property you shouldn’t expect privacy, didn’t really sound too horrible to me at first, until I realized just how many people can’t afford to rent land right now. And it’s only getting worse.

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      5 months ago

      It speaks to a deeper fault in liberalism, made obvious by the existence of homelessness.

      A person is free only to the extent in which they have access to a physical space in which they can exercise that freedom. It would be absurd to say that I have freedom of speech, if they were banned from speaking freely at home, in public, or anywhere but inside my head. Without a place in which a person can go to and enjoy the protections of a right, they do not actually have that right.

      A core tenet of classical Liberalism is that the only place in which our government recognizes the sanctity of a person’s ability to exercise their rights, is upon their own land. On public spaces, or the property of others, the exercise of rights may be readily curtailed, and always have been. This fits in nicely with the traditional Liberal notion that only people with property are citizens, whose rights deserve to be safeguarded.

      However, for the homeless their ‘freedoms’ are illusory because they have no personal space to physically go to and enjoy it. Instead, the liberty of a homeless person to do anything (ie: sleep and eat) is strictly curtailed to the very limited range of activities permitted on public lands. And their right to protection from certain things (ie: invasions of privacy and involuntary search/seizure) similarly has virtually no guarantees.

      This is also something I always emphasize when discussions of banning certain activities from any public spaces comes up. To ban encampments on all public property is to deprive our society’s most vulnerable of any right to shelter themselves from the elements, or sleep undisturbed, as they will no longer have legal access to places in which they can shelter or sleep.

      • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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        5 months ago

        Ultimately I only believe you can reasonably ban any behavior in public with a guarantee of housing. You need to have free housing provided to everyone as well as free short term emergency housing (free hotels basically).