If i wanna move to some based eastern european country one day, getting decree in IT might be my best bet. I have tried applying as UX/UI designer however you can only study that here in Lahti so it would be terrible tactic to apply to only one school.

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          Honestly you can pick it up. You’ll need to understand and apply what is a for loop, a class, a map, a set, http request, snmp request, byte vs bit, ip 4 vs 6, what is a container, what is a vm, internet vs intranet, port forwarding, rate limiting, load balancing, network shares, maybe elasta search queries.

          That’s mostly it. In the states a lot of vets get hired as network engineers without degrees. They sometimes have it experience in the military.

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        Not saying it’d hurt, but I’ve never worked anywhere that had network teams managing docker (that’d be a different team). Linux knowledge is just enough to install a vendor supplied appliance on your hypervisor of choice (managed by a different team), anything more than that would have the OS managed by a different team. And I really haven’t seen them script much of anything in any language, they have prebuilt tools to do any mass config changes or monitoring or whatever.

        They are generally way more concerned about working with horribly convoluted routing issues, misbehaving BGP, firewall policies, etc.

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          but I’ve never worked anywhere that had network teams managing docker

          Now i’m not a network engineer but have worked with them and from my experience,

          Most network switches are shipping with docker installed these days. Also lots of network dev environments are shipping in docker images plus docker-compose rather than virtual machines.

          I would not expect them to know everything about docker but it would probably be wise for them to know a few basic commands.

          The whole field of network engineer is moving more towards network automation engineer.

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            I know docker gets jammed into a lot of different equipment these days, wasn’t aware of it in network switches tho.

            What sorts of containerized workloads are typically run on network equipment?

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              Usually monitoring agents. Though, it could be what every you want including bitcoin miners. With containers Cisco, Jupiter or whoever doesn’t have to worry about keeping their version of python up to date. Their version of what ever. They just keep their kernel and docker up to date and then the switch maintainers can install and update what ever they want in containers.

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    I’m kind of half cloud architect and half traditional Windows server engineering, and I hate coding.

    So, these days you want to consider Cloud Architecture. You might need to learn a little bit of Terraform or similar, but it’s not really traditional scripting. Your job is to know all the offerings of your preferred cloud vendor, and be able to use them to design an environment to meet business requirements in a secure/resilient manner. You’ll need a solid understanding of networking and security concepts to do it well. But pretty minimal coding.

    You may build it out via Terraform, or maybe you send the design to a dedicated build team. Once built it goes to the app folks to do their app coding. You probably help the coders troubleshoot traffic flows a bit, because they are pretty universally terrible at security, networking, and infrastructure in general. Because they are coders, but don’t really understand how anything actually works outside of their code. You are the platform expert.

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    I don’t know about Europe but in America it’s best not to even go to college for it. A boot camp and self study if you can. A good resume, github is better than a degree. I needed it because I was retarded. But to answer your question, project management. Some of those guys do little more than sit in meetings, call meetings,create tickets on a computer and track progress.

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      totally different in europe, im not going to apply to university or that will be unlikely but the gov pays for most fees like housing so education is definitely worth it. I can tell you that my dad could get better pay if he had been to university or something so that kinda sucks for him.

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    Many IT jobs don’t require coding. A friend of mine got magna cum laude in computer science and couldn’t code a line. He ended up getting a bunch of high end network admin jobs at increasingly impressive institutions and now he’s got a doctorate and he’s a professor (and still doesn’t really know how to code)