First off, the link above to the bad place is for reference - no need to visit - full text below.

So the below write-up popped up on r/aliens about a month ago. By the time I got to it, the user had already deleted their account, and apparently been subject to various forms of shenanigans with comments getting deleted and somesuch.

As such, to preserve the content free of possible censorship, I reposted it here in the Fediverse.

The post seems to have been preserved on Reddit now, but I thought it would fit here on !uap.

Please note that I am not the author of the below content, nor do I make any claims as to its veracity. Enjoy - if this is the real deal, looks like things have already gotten really goddamn weird… and if this is a LARP - hats off to the author… that’s some incredibly detailed bullshit you’ve got going on.


It seems like all my comments are being deleted. I will post answer at the end of the message.

From the late 2000s to the mid-2010s, I worked as a molecular biologist for a national security contractor in a program to study Exo-Biospheric-Organisms (EBO). The aim of the program was to elucidate the genome and proteome basis of these organisms. Although the study of OBCs has been going on for decades in other programs, the new high-throughput DNA sequencing technologies of the late 90s unblocked stagnant research in this area. Since then, several breakthroughs have led to significant advances in our understanding of the genome and proteome of these beings. What we’ve learned so far has enabled us to outline some disconcerting perspectives about our place in this universe. Briefly, we’ve discovered that the EBO genome is a chimera of genomes from our biosphere and from an unknown one. They are artificial, ephemeral and disposable organisms created for a purpose that still partially eludes us. I’ll be substantiating my statements after a brief introduction.

The reason for disclosing these secrets is quite simple. I believe that every human being has the right to know the truth, and that to progress, humanity needs to divest itself of certain institutions and organizations that will probably not survive these revelations in the long term. I’m aware that I’ll have very little impact in this regard, but I still believe that small leaks are necessary to break the dam of misinformation on this subject. When the governments will eventually reveal these secrets, there will undoubtedly be a societal upheaval, but in my opinion, the longer we wait, the worse it will be. I choose to divulge what I know anonymously out of selfishness for the well-being of myself and my family. I’m aware that this diminishes the reach and credibility of my message, but it’s the furthest I am willing to go. I chose this forum because it offers a good compromise between anonymity and popularity. In order to protect my anonymity, I will be purposely vague or even contradictory about any information that could identify me (date, education, role etc.). I’ll even introduce red herrings in this respect. I want to make it clear that any information related to the subject of the research will not be treated in this way.

Before going any further, please excuse me if you find it difficult to understand what I’m explaining. Some parts of my text are very technical. It’s difficult to find the right balance between vulgarization and scientific explanation. I’ll continue by talking about myself. What’s the point of talking about me knowing that the information will necessarily be misleading? I simply want to introduce a perspective on the type of people who work there, normal scientists. I have a Ph.D. in molecular biology. I didn’t actively seek to be part of this program, rather it was a stroke of luck that introduced me to one of the senior scientists. I met this person at a conference where I was presenting a poster on my Ph.D. research. When I think back, I don’t believe he was impressed by what I was presenting, because it was quite frankly a project that wasn’t going anywhere. I think it was rather the most important aspect of a professional life: the attitude and the ease with which you make connections. Shortly afterwards, I graduated and received a call from this person offering me a position. At the time, everything pointed to me working in a regular laboratory.

I did a series of three increasingly suspicious interviews, each in a different location, where my scientific background and knowledge became less and less relevant. The first was with two of the senior scientists, the second and third with people I’ve never seen again and who were obviously not interested in science. Sometime after the interview, I was asked to go to a fourth location where what seemed like a corporate lawyer presented me with an NDA. He made sure not only to explain every detail, but also that I understood the consequence of not respecting it.

The first Employment weeks were by far the most memorable, although I spent most of that time in a depressing archive room. It consists almost exclusively of reading about the subject of study and to get us up to speed. There’s no secret Wikipedia or even a reference book to guide us. There are only dry reports, memos, presentations, procedures and SOPs. These documents are almost exclusively about the biology of EBOs, but there are also a few that deal with other subjects such as their food, religion or culture. There were no documents on their technology.

As mentioned above, the aim of the project is to gain a better understanding of the EBO genome and proteome. To achieve this, a team of around twenty scientists, four senior scientists and a director was involved. The scientists, like myself, had as their main responsibility to carry out the technical work. As each scientist had to my knowledge a Ph.D., we were all somewhat overqualified for what is ultimately a technician’s job. The senior scientists, who make full use of their diplomas, had the task of designing the assays and had a supervisory responsibility. They were also in charge of training new employees, and sometimes even came in to do technical work. The director, of course, was the person in charge who dictated priorities to the senior scientists. He was rarely on site, and the few times he was, it was to attend meetings. Other than the scientific staff, there were security guards working for one subcontractor or another. There were no support staff such as janitors or maintenance workers. Scientists were responsible for this kind of work. In addition, logistical constraints ensure that every scientist is capable of carrying out any technical activity.

The laboratory itself is located in Fort Detrick, Maryland, in a building used for legitimate biomedical research. The clandestine operations are carried out in a restricted part of the basement, out of sight from regular workers. Contrary to what one might imagine, the biosafety level is not maximal for this type of research. Indeed, the lab containing EBO samples or derived cell cultures is BSL3, while the lab where assays are conducted are only BSL2. The BSL3 area of the facility includes a freezer room and a cell culture lab and is only accessible through an antechamber from the BSL2 section. EBO carcasses are preserved in horizontal freezers at a temperature of -80°C nominal. To maximize the preservation of these carcasses, they are preserved in vacuum bags and the air in the room is controlled to minimize humidity. There are only four bodies and none of them are complete. It’s obvious that these creatures have died as a result of major trauma. I’ve never witnessed a motorcycle accident fatality, but it probably looks similar to this. It is acknowledged that there are more EBOs caracasses at other locations. The cell culture laboratory, as its name suggests, is where cell lines derived from EBOs are grown and related activities are performed. I’ll talk in more detail about these specific cell lines later on. The BSL2 part is mainly used for assays, immunohistochemistry, genetic engineering, immunocytochemistry, storage etc. There’s also a cell culture lab, but this is used for more traditional cell lines. Other than the labs, there are all the amenities you could find in an office. Note that the internet access is limited to senior staff and up. There is, however, an intranet for bioinformatics needs.

On the subject of the biology of these beings, I’ll start by discussing genetics, then their gross anatomy and finally their biological systems. For the sake of clarity, the information that I provide here is an aggregation of what I have observed and what I have read. I will make many comparisons with human anatomy because it is the most logical reference.

Genetics:

First, I’d like to discuss their genetics. Their genetics are like ours, based on DNA. This fact was very puzzling for me when I first learned about it. We imagine that beings from an alternate biosphere would have genetics based on a completely foreign biochemical system and surprisingly, this is not the case. Several conclusions can be drawn from this surprising revelation. The one that immediately comes to mind is that our biosphere and theirs share a common ancestry. They’re eukaryotes, which means their cells have nuclei containing genetic material. Which suggests that their biosphere would have been separated from ours sometime after the appearance of this type of organism. The term Exo-Biospheric-Organism is actually a misnomer, but as it’s a historical term, it’s still used. Their genetics are not only based on the same genetic system, but they’re also even compatible with our own cellular machinery. This means that you can take a human gene and insert it into an EBO cell, and that gene will be translated into protein, and this of course works in reverse with a human gene inserted into an EBO cell. There are important differences in post-translational modifications that will make the final protein non-functional, but I’ll discuss these later. Their genome consists of 16 circular chromosomes.

You’re probably familiar with the concept of intergenic region or “junk DNA”. These are basically DNA sequences that don’t code for proteins. These are evolutionary residues, transposons, inactivated genes and so on. To give you an idea, in humans, intergenic regions represent approximately 99% of our genome. I’m aware that these sequences aren’t completely useless, they can be used as histone anchors, as buffers to protect coding DNA from radiation or even as alternative open reading frames, but that’s rather peripheral.

What’s particularly striking about the EBO genome is the uniformity of these intergenic regions. We see the same sequences repeated everywhere, and the distance in bp between the genes is virtually the same throughout their genome. The result is a minimalist, highly condensed genome. In fact, it’s much smaller than ours. Moreover, the quantity of protein-coding genes is even significantly lower than ours, probably due to genetic refinement but also to biological processes that are absent in EBO. The uniformity of these sequences is a major indication of the artificiality of these beings. There is no complex organism on earth that has such elegance in its sequences. There is no evolutionary pressure that can lead to this kind of characteristic other than genetic engineering.

Speaking of genetic engineering, following sequencing of their genomes, we noticed a troubling and universal characteristic in the 5’ of the regulatory sequence of each gene which we call the Tri-Palindromic Region. The TPR are 134bp sequences containing, as its name suggests, 3 palindromes. In genetics, a palindrome is a DNA sequence that when read in the same direction, gives the same sequence on both DNA strands. They serve both as a flag and as a binding site for proteins. The three palindromes in the TPR are distinct from one another and have been poetically named “5’P TPR”, “M TPR” and “3’ TPR”. The TPR is composed (in 5’ - 3’ order) of 5’P TPR, 12bp spacer, Chromosomal address, 12bp spacer, M TPR, 12bp spacer, Gene address, 12pb spacer and 3’ TPR. The chromosomal address is composed of 4 bp and is identical in each TPR of the same chromosome, but distinct between each of the 16 chromosomes of the genome. The Gene address is a 64bp sequence that is unique for each gene in the whole genome. It’s therefore understandable that the TPR serves as a unique address not only for numerically identifying a gene, but also for identifying its chromosomal location. For those with only a basic knowledge of genetics, this is completely unheard of. No living thing in our biosphere has this kind of precise address in its genome. Once again, the presence of TPR cannot be explained by evolutionary pressure but only by genetic engineering on a genomic scale.

TPR opens the door to several possibilities. One of them suggests that EBO geneticists can insert or remove a gene from a cell in a way that is far more targeted and efficient than our technology allows. No proteins have been identified in the EBO genome that interacts with TPR. Rather, we believe that these proteins are exclusively targeted by external genetic engineering tools, probably used at the zygotic stage of embryonic development. The nature of these tools is unclear, but we definitely don’t have anything like them. The probable absence of these proteins from the genome is a further indication of their artificiality. Given the high probability of artificiality of their genome and the apparent ease of modifying it with biomolecular tools, it’s not out of the question that there could be polymorphism between individuals depending on their role and function. In other words, an individual could be genetically designed to have characteristics that give it an advantage in performing a given task, like soldier ants and worker ants in an anthill. Note that these previous statements are speculation. To my knowledge only one individual genome has been sequenced, I can’t make a definitive statement on genetic variation between individuals.

I’ve talked a lot about intergenic regions, now I’ll briefly discuss intragenic sequences. Briefly, because there’s not a lot less to say despite its obvious importance. Much like ours, their genes have silencers, enhancers, promoters, 5’UTRs, exons, introns, 3’ UTRs etc. There are many genes analogous to ours, which is not surprising given the compatibility of our cellular machinery. What’s disturbing is that some genes correspond directly, nucleotide by nucleotide, with known human genes or even some animal genes. For these genes, there doesn’t seem to be any artificial refinement but rather a crude copying and pasting. Why they do it is nebulous and still subject to conjecture. There are also many genes which are not found in our biosphere whose role has not been identified. Finding the purpose of these novel genes is one of the aims of the program. I’d like to note before going any further that this heterogeneity of genes of known and unknown origin is an undeniable proof of the artificiality of EBOs.

To conclude with genetics, the mitochondrial genome, at the time I was working there, had not yet been sequenced. It’s safe to assume that this genome would also be streamlined and possibly has some version of TPR.

Transcription and translation and protein expression.

I briefly introduced the differences in post-translational modifications between human and EBO. This is hardly a surprise, as we often see the same thing between different terrestrial species. Obtaining a viable protein from a DNA sequence is a complex process involving hundreds of protein intermediates, each with a precise and essential role. A minor variation in this assembly line can lead to functional irregularities in the final product. So, it’s no surprise that there are setbacks along the way when the first EBO gene transfection attempts failed to produce the desired functional protein in human cell lines. Fortunately for us, the work of what I imagine to be another team at another site has led to the development of an EBO cell line named EPI-G11 derived from epithelial tissues. With this tool in our hands, we were able to transfect and overexpress proteins of interest in order to eventually purify and study them. For your information, we use a biological ballistics delivery system (AKA gene gun) for our transfection needs because other methods are not very effective with cells of this line. For example, the viral vectors tested cannot be internalized by EPI-G11 and lipofection is too lethal. EPI-G11, like most eukaryotic cell lines, enters a phase of exponential growth when exposed to Fetal Bovine Serum. It’s only half surprising that a cell line from such an exotic source should be sensitive to the growth factors present in FBS. In my opinion, this can be explained by the addition of animal genes to the genome, such as growth receptors.

Gross anatomy:

They are morphologically very similar to the grey aliens that are part of modern folklore. Their height is about 150cm, they have two arms, two legs and a head. Still, there are some notable differences.

Skin: The grey skin that is often described in folklore is in fact a biosynthetic film which, likely, serves to protect the EBO from a hostile environment. It doesn’t provide effective protection against temperature changes, but it does offer adequate protection against the passage of liquids. It’s possible that this film confers other advantages but my knowledge on the subject is limited. Under the grey film, the epidermis is rather white, and the texture is very regular and without any hair. We do not see any defect other than the folds near the joints. It’s described as greasy in one report, but that’s not something I’ve observed. The same report states that a strong, lingering smell of burnt hair and ammonia is present when the film is removed. There are a lot of pores on the skin, crossing from the epidermis to a gland in the hypodermis. These glands and pores are the terminal part of the excretory-sudoriferous system, which could explain the previously mentioned smell.

Head: The head contains two large, oversized eyes, two nostrils without protuberance, a narrow mouth without lips and two ear canals without auricles. There is a mandible, but the musculature is vestigial. There are no teeth or tongue in the oral cavity. The nasal cavity where the nostrils meet is compact and does not rise cranially but extends axially. There appears to be no equivalent to the olfactory bulb in the nasal cavity. The mouth leads directly to the esophagus and the nasal cavity to the trachea. The trachea and esophagus do not communicate.

Eye: Like the skin, the eyes are covered with a semi-transparent biosynthetic film that offers the same environmental protection, while providing protection against certain wavelengths and light intensity. When the film is removed, a more traditional eye is revealed. It’s about three times larger than a human eye and there are no eyelids. The size of their eyes suggests they have excellent night vision. It seems paradoxical to cover them with a semi-opaque film. Perhaps they only need to wear it in a bright environment. Their sclera is the same color as their skin, the iris is pale grey, and the pupil is black and oversized. The lens is rounder than a human, and the musculature used to adjust focus is more developed. On the retina, there are at least 6 types of cone cells. The responsiveness of each of these 6 types of cone is specific to a wavelength band, with a minimum of overlap between each other. The result is a broader visible spectrum.

Ear: As mentioned, the outer ear has no auricle and the ear canal is unremarkable. The inner ear has all the characteristics of a typical vestibular and cochlear system, although the curvature of the cochlea is more pronounced than a human. This probably results in greater hearing acuity for low frequencies.

Brain: The brain is tetraspheric, i.e. composed of four major sections. The sections are separated by transverse and longitudinal fissures and are connected to the central lobe, which acts as brainstem and cerebellum. The volume of the brain is around 20% superior to that of a man of the same height. It has a much more pronounced level of gyrication than an average human. Moreover, the ratio of glial cells to neurons is also slightly higher than in humans. It is important to mention the presence of nodules on the central lobe. Histological analysis of these structures reveals a kind of intricate biological circuitry. It is speculated that these nodules are essential to interact with their technology. Consequently, determining the proteome of these structures is an absolute priority for the program.

Neck: The neck is proportionally longer than that of a human, and at the same time relatively thin. As mentioned, the esophagus and trachea are separate. There are no vocal cords in this region.

Thorax: The musculature of the thorax is underdeveloped. Muscles equivalent to the pectoralis major can be seen. We can also see the trapezius and deltoid muscles. The sternocleidomastoids are well defined. The ribs and sternum are clearly visible. There are no nipples.

Abdomen: The abdomen is wider than the thorax and bulges slightly forward. There is no navel.

Pelvis: The pelvic bones are apparent. There are no genitals or anus.

Hands and feets: Their hands have four digits, including an opposable thumb on the medial side. They have no nails, and the texture of their fingerprints is composed of concentric circles. Fingers are proportionally much longer than in humans. Unlike humans, finger musculature is entirely intrinsic to the hand. In other words, the muscles used to move the fingers are not in the forearms but entirely located in the hands. At first glance, the feet consist of just two digits, but a necropsy soon determined that each toe was made of two fused digits. The medial toe is marginally longer than the distal toe. The feet are relatively longer and narrower than in a human. Their musculature, however, is vestigial.

The EBOs endoskeleton is very similar to ours, at least in terms of composition. There’s collagen, hydroxyapatite but also copper oxide crystals where marrow would normally be found. The role of these crystals has not been established, but it is not a crystalopathic condition. The blood cells of the myeloid lineage (or the equivalent for these creatures) therefore mature in a different location than in humans i.e. in the thymus like organ. A transverse section of the bone reveals osteon and osteocytes. There appear to be few osteoblasts and no osteoclasts. This indicates that the bones are no longer growing and cannot absorb the minerals present or adapt mechanically to changes in posture.

Biological system:

Respiratory system: Their cellular respiration is equivalent to ours, i.e. they need to oxidize organic components to produce energy. Their lungs have no reciprocating action, but rather have a unidirectional flow of air, similar to those seen in birds, which is more efficient than ours. It is speculated that this is in response to the brain’s elevated metabolic needs. Vocalization is produced by vibration of the wall membrane at the junction between the two air sacs.

The Circulatory system of EBOs is rather analogous to ours. The heart is located in the mediastanum, but in a more medial position, directly beneath the sternum. The heart has two ventricles and two atria. There is an aorta, a pulmonary vein, a pulmonary artery and a vena cava. Blood flowing to the pulmonary capillaries via the pulmonary artery is pumped against the flow of air, maximizing gas exchange efficiency. The blood gas barrier is relatively narrow in these capillaries, at least compared to a human. Then oxygen-rich blood is returned to the heart and then expelled into the aorta and the rest of the body. Before returning to the heart, the blood will pass through the hepatorenal organ which, among other things, filters and controls osmotic pressure of the blood.

The blood itself is also analogous to that of a human. However, the proportion of plasma is much higher, albumin is in similar proportion ,hormone levels are much lower, metal ion levels are much higher (particularly copper) and glucose levels are significantly higher. The color of the blood is brownish, given the higher proportion of plasma and concentration of metal ions. On the cellular side, there are erythrocytes which, in addition to hemoglobin for binding oxygen, display several complexes capable of binding copper ions. It’s not clear what role these copper ions play but we believe it neutralizes blood ammonia, among other things. Several cell types with leukocyte characteristics have been observed, but no comprehensive knowledge of them exists. Platelets are present, but in smaller proportions than in humans.

Excreto-sudoriferous system: This system is completely different from what I’ve seen. As mentioned earlier, there is no large orifice, like an anus or urethra, to get rid of biological waste. Instead, there are countless small pores on the surface of the skin. There’s a large medial organ called the hepatorenal organ, which acts as both kidney and liver and is central to maintaining homeostasis. This organ is highly vascularized and the blood must pass through it before returning to the heart. Its role is, among other things, to purify the blood of metabolic waste. Waste is excreted into the equivalent of a ureter, which branches out into four. Each branch flows towards one of the four limbs and in turn these branches divide until they end up as thousands of excretory pores. The motility of this excretory system is mediated by a weak peristalsis at the proximal level and on the four main branches. Peristalsis ceases around the first distal junction. As there is no urea cycle, the ammonia concentration at the exit of the hepatorenal organ is very high. This ammonia is carried to the pores and gives the distinct odor I mentioned earlier. The rationale behind this unusual excretory system is directly related to this excreted ammonia, which enables thermoregulation by evaporating on the skin’s surface. The greater the physical effort, the greater the metabolism. This in turn leads to a rise in temperature, and a corresponding increase in metabolic waste via amino acid catabolism. This leads to an increase in filtration and ammonia excretion, which ultimately lowers body temperature.

Digestive system: The digestive system is extremely underdeveloped. There’s no there is no stomach in the familiar sense. However, there is a pseudo-stomach located at the transition between the thoracic and abdominal cavities. This organ is not involved in digestion, but only serves as a reservoir. A sphincter controls the flow of food into the intestine. The intestine is limited to the equivalent of our small intestine, i.e. it only serves to absorb liquids and nutrients and acts as the main digestion site. It has villi and microvilli like ours. The intestine ends in the hepato-renal organ, where non-digested matter is transported to the ureter and excretory system. Residues are dissolved in the ammonia of metabolic waste for excretion. There’s an organ near the pseudostomachal sphincter that secretes digestive enzymes directly into the intestine. This organ is inspirationally called the digestive organ. It secretes mainly proteolytic enzymes and glycoside hydrolases.

Given the absence of teeth, the narrowness and rigidity of the esophagus, the absence of a true stomach and the absence of defecation, it is strongly believed that EBOs can only consume food in liquid form. It is assumed that, given the high metabolic needs of their brains, this food would have a high carbohydrate concentration. In order to meet other metabolic needs, there must also be a high protein content in the food consumed. These two statements are supported by the type of enzyme secreted by the digestive organ. It is therefore speculated that the food consumed is a sort of broth rich in sugar and protein, which probably also has a high copper content. Given the strict limitations on the type of food that they can consume, it’s unlikely that this type of creature could survive in our biosphere without technological support.

Endocrine system: Knowledge of the endocrine system is minimal. We know that cells are receptive to bovine growth hormones, so it’s assumed that certain functions are regulated by such a system. Endocrine mechanisms are very complex, and it goes without saying that they are best studied on living subjects.

Immune system: The immune system is another unknown. There seems to be an innate immune system but there doesn’t seem to be any adaptive immunity, at least not similar to what is known. There’s a thymus-like organ near the heart that’s proportionally larger than in humans. This organ seems to be where all blood cells mature. Some cells have leukocyte characteristics such as granularity. The immune cells that germinate here have a high copper concentration. The surface receptors of innate immune cells have not yet been characterized, so we might as well say that all the work remains to be done.

Nervous system: The nervous system is also relatively similar. The spinal cord begins at the base of the central lobe of the brain and propagates down the vertebral column. In the vertebrae there are ganglia made of afferent and efferent neurons. In short, other than the CNS, there is nothing out of the ordinary.

Musculoskeletal system: The musculoskeletal system is very ordinary, albeit underdeveloped. Most of the human skeletal muscles have an equivalent. Only the hands, feet and forearms are different. It should be noted that the proportion of type 1 and type 2 muscle fibers is different from that in a human. Indeed, type 1 outnumbers type 2 by about a factor of 10.

Artificial system: We speculate that artificial molecular machines may be present in the body, and that copper, if present, would be essential to their function or assembly. Importantly, no AMMs have been observed.

Question 1: Amazing story. Have you shared this with the Senate Select Commission on Intelligence or with AARO and do you have evidence to back this up?

Thank you, no I haven’t and no I won’t. It sounds like a honey trap to me. I will not place my life in the hands of politicians. I have no proof other than this message. I know it’s not much but it’s what I’m prepared to offer

Question 2: Well that was a read … So they are bio engineered worker bees… Any elemental components that are unutributal to our biome ?

Yes, knowing that they’re disposable, unable to live independently without technological support, and that they’re ephemeral. The only suitable hypothesis is that they are alive only to accomplish their task. Can you clarify your question about elemental components?

Question 3: I havent read everything in detail but can you expend on the document on their religion?

EBOs believe that the soul is not an extension of the individual, but rather a fundamental characteristic of nature that expresses itself as a field, not unlike gravity. In the presence of life, this field acquires complexity, resulting in negative entropy if that makes sense. This gain in complexity is directly correlated with the concentration of living organisms in a given location. With time, and with the right conditions, life in turn becomes more complex until the appearance of sentient life. After reaching this threshold, the field begins to express itself through these sentient beings, forming what we call the soul. Through their life experiences, sentient beings will in turn influence the field in a sort of positive feedback loop. This in turn further accelerates the complexity of the field. Eventually, when the field reaches a “critical mass”, there will be a sort of apotheosis. It’s not clear what this means in practical terms, but this quest for apotheosis seems to be the EBOs main motivation.

The author of the document added his reflections and interpretations as an appendix. He specified that, for them, the soul field is not a belief but an obvious truth. He also argues that the soul loses its individuality after death, but that memory and experience persist as part of the field. This fact would influence the philosophy and culture of EBOs, resulting in a society that doesn’t fear death but which places no importance or reverence on individuality. This “belief” compels them to seed life, shape it, nurture it, monitor it and influence it for the ultimate purpose of creating this apotheosis. Paradoxically, they have little or no respect for an individual’s well-being.

Please be advised that I’m speaking from memory of something I read more than 10 years ago, so take the following with a grain of salt. Also, I’m not a philosopher or an artist, so please excuse my struggle to properly formulate the concepts and my dry terminology. Finally, note that this information comes from a document whose author was directly interacting with an EBO. It is not specified whether it was an ambassador, a crash survivor, a prisoner. The means of communication were not specified either.

Question 4: Wtf he dropped the location of the lab

Battelle National Biodefense Institute. It is on google map

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      “Tell me you didn’t read the post without telling me you didn’t read the post.”

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          @Pratai missed the point of my posting, as written in my original above:

          Please note that I am not the author of the below content, nor do I make any claims as to its veracity. Enjoy - if this is the real deal, looks like things have already gotten really goddamn weird… and if this is a LARP - hats off to the author… that’s some incredibly detailed bullshit you’ve got going on.

          It’s not evidence, nor do I claim it to be. What it is an amazingly detailed piece of writing that shows an enormous level of technical sophistication and intelligence that is, if not real, a masterpiece of sci-fi.

          A dismissive comment like he posted indicated that he only skimmed it at best, and doesn’t provide any useful analysis (for or against). If you’re going to critique, at least make it worthwhile and interesting.

          “Ridicule is not a part of the scientific method and the public should not be taught that it is.”
          -J. Allen Hynek

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            I never said you wrote it- I simply made the point that another evidence-less claim was brought to the table.

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                Kick bricks kid. No one here thinks what you posted has merit but you.

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                  I think it’s great sci-fi, detailed and mechanically interesting.

                  I hope you don’t impress this attitude of devaluing creativity on any children around you.

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        Oh, I read it. And it was as hilarious as the rest of them.

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          I can confirm it

          Source: Alien borrowing earth wifi to download Game of Thrones.

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            For the safety of Earth, we will need to convince them the show was unfortunately cancelled after season 6

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    Absolute bullshit. Nobody gets recruited to anything like that. Those skills are a dime a dozen in biochemistry so there is simply no reason to go fishing at a conference. Recruitment for those positions comes through a web of personal contacts.

    And this part made me laugh:

    The scientists, like myself, had as their main responsibility to carry out the technical work. As each scientist had to my knowledge a Ph.D., we were all somewhat overqualified for what is ultimately a technician’s job.<

    I was 5 years into a post-doc and genotyping my own mice, running my own assays, and mounting my own tissue. WTF does this larper think biomedical PhDs do? lol.

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      I was 5 years into a post-doc and genotyping my own mice, running my own assays, and mounting my own tissue. WTF does this larper think biomedical PhDs do? lol.

      This is interesting insight. Thanks for sharing your experiences to help others make judgments in regards to posts like these.

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        Well I was a brain scientist… I was going to write up a longer bit on the stupidity of the nervous system description. For instance afferent and efferent are just fancy terms for coming and going so the technical jargon is simply saying that the brain connects to the body. Well duh. You can tell I get irritated by peoples bullshit.

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        And yet you see fit to comment on it. Perhaps once your reading comprehension rises above a third grade level, you can try again and see if you understand the words with more than one syllable.

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          bro you acting like writing a throwaway comment has any significance. I won’t bother with the temper tantrum you’re having lol

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            Apparently it has enough significance for you to keep spamming mindless bullshit, but I agree, you’re not worth the bother.

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      Formatting my dude. Your rant is unreadable, and your point is the equivalent of “no he didn’t because I don’t think it works that way”. Why bother posting if you can’t properly articulate your thoughts into an actual argument?

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    Not saying this is fake but I wonder how hard it would be if you knew this domain by heart and used ChatGPT to write a plausible story that you then wash to make sure it isn’t too obvious AI wrote this. Thoughts?

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      This is fake. Somebody is larping who has never actually worked in science. Forget about the technical stuff, nobody gets calls out of the blue to work in sensitive areas after presenting a poster at a conference.

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        I think someone’s jealous that they’ve never been invited to join a secret government program.

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          When I was a post-doc in the US most labs had two lab meetings. There was one for everybody and then the non-americans would get the boot and any projects funded by army grants would get discussed. That requirement was part of every grant they issued. So yeah, the description seems weak in terms of actual security protocols.

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      There was a lot of back and forth on Reddit about the veracity, but it was concluded pretty quickly that it was not written by an AI. The level of specificity and detail is simply too involved, and the terminology is far beyond the reach of what current AIs can generate (or at least all the ones publicly available). There’s also numerous grammatical mistakes, and the language, while polished, doesn’t have the perfect spelling and structure that an AI does.

      The general consensus was that it was a real author, who had enough molecular biology knowledge to qualify as a mid-level researcher between 2000 - 2010. There was a lot of back and forth about the procedures and methodology, and there were redditors claiming to be scientists who claimed it was bogus fiction made up based on the poster’s professional knowledge, as well as redditors claiming to scientists who said it has to be real - there’s no way someone who wasn’t intimately involved with the program would have this much detail.

      I’m on the fence. It’s a marvelous piece of writing, and even if it’s not real, it’s an amazing exploration of a possible biology for the Greys.

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        I actually do think someone with a little domain knowledge could get ChatGPT4 to help them flesh out such a long document. But it would have been a collaboration with the AI, not a puppeting of the AI.

        That said, I’m not here to pour cold water on it. Just to say it seems plausible. And it’s plausible to the best LLMs would be useful if you wanted to invent something like this. Maybe we will find out in the coming months.

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          Possibly with an advanced model, but when you look at the language of the writing, the complexity level is high, but with run-on sentences, over-explanation, and irregular use of phrasing, and wide conclusions that don’t appear in most AI writing (bolded below) Example:

          Speaking of genetic engineering, following sequencing of their genomes, we noticed a troubling and universal characteristic in the 5’ of the regulatory sequence of each gene which we call the Tri-Palindromic Region. The TPR are 134bp sequences containing, as its name suggests, 3 palindromes. In genetics, a palindrome is a DNA sequence that when read in the same direction, gives the same sequence on both DNA strands. They serve both as a flag and as a binding site for proteins. The three palindromes in the TPR are distinct from one another and have been poetically named “5’P TPR”, “M TPR” and “3’ TPR”. The TPR is composed (in 5’ - 3’ order) of 5’P TPR, 12bp spacer, Chromosomal address, 12bp spacer, M TPR, 12bp spacer, Gene address, 12pb spacer and 3’ TPR. The chromosomal address is composed of 4 bp and is identical in each TPR of the same chromosome, but distinct between each of the 16 chromosomes of the genome. The Gene address is a 64bp sequence that is unique for each gene in the whole genome. It’s therefore understandable that the TPR serves as a unique address not only for numerically identifying a gene, but also for identifying its chromosomal location. For those with only a basic knowledge of genetics, this is completely unheard of. No living thing in our biosphere has this kind of precise address in its genome. Once again, the presence of TPR cannot be explained by evolutionary pressure but only by genetic engineering on a genomic scale.

          That bolded statement is one an AI would never make, because you generally can’t prove a negative, and AI trained on data since 2010 knows that the majority of our biosphere is a mystery to science.

          This is, however, the kind of statement a somewhat arrogant scientist trained in early 2000s would say to drive home a point that they are working on alien biology. Most scientists trained today wouldn’t assume that kind of knowledge of every living thing in our biosphere - there’s been too many discoveries in the last 15 years, and the paradigm has shifted since I was taking science classes in college.

          And that’s the other thing that makes me certain this isn’t an AI - the author’s personality and voice comes through in every element of the writing, including the pervading sense of despair and anger that a whistleblower would feel, and the somewhat grumpy, out of date references and language use.

          You might get an AI to relate this information, but going back and messing it up enough to seem human would be as much work as writing it out yourself - and you’d still need a proper background in molecular biology to arrange everything in context.

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            Not commenting on whether or not the story is true, but I do agree that it probably wasn’t made by AI.

            I read scientific papers in academic journals every day, so I’m very familiar with the style and conventions of academic writing. This post reads like it was written by someone who’s trying very hard not to write a scientific paper, but whose primary writing practice is entirely in writing scientific papers. The prose in this piece will often begin in a storytelling style, then slowly drift back to academic writing, persist in that mode for a while, then the author seems to realize it and yank the reins to go back to storytelling.

            While I admit that LLMs are good at mimicking different writing styles, I’m not at all confident they’re capable of pulling off the kind of slow-drifting back-and-forth that I see in this post, especially while remaining inside the specific formatting skeleton of an academic paper.

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    Nice to spin your head around it. But without undoubtedly proof, it’s a story.

    Another interesting thing is the documentation around Bob Walfort Lazar (believe that’s his name)

    Edit: Changed name to correct one.

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      I’m not familiar with the name - do you have any more detail? Google’s not helpful.

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          Ahh yeah - that dude. Bob Lazar has significant credibility issues:

          Lazar has no evidence of alien life or technology, and elements of his claimed education and employment history have been exaggerated or fabricated. Perceptions of Lazar have also been affected by criminal activity: he was convicted in 1990 for his involvement in a prostitution ring, and again in 2006 for selling illegal chemicals. Journalist Ken Layne states, “A lot of credible people have looked at Lazar’s story and rationally concluded that he made it up.”

          and

          Journalist Stephen Rodrick and author Neil Nixon write that further doubts have been cast on Lazar’s credibility due to his criminal activity. Author Timothy Good and filmmaker Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell, who have perpetuated Lazar’s story, concur with this assertion.

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      As an MD,… would need a very intricate knowledge of anatomy and physiology…

      I saw posted on another forum from an apparently learned person that there are errors in the physiological descriptions. From what I recall in particular was the discussion related to looking for the olfactory bulbs inside the nasal cavity. The quote is “ There appears to be no equivalent to the olfactory bulb in the nasal cavity. “ As an MD you’d know that the olfactory bulbs (plural) are part of the forebrain and not located in the human nasal cavity.

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        Good point and thanks for posting it. That being said, you don’t need a MD to become a molecular biologist, so the author’s knowledge of anatomy could be imprecise. Looking at the quote in particular:

        The nasal cavity where the nostrils meet is compact and does not rise cranially but extends axially. There appears to be no equivalent to the olfactory bulb in the nasal cavity. The mouth leads directly to the esophagus and the nasal cavity to the trachea. The trachea and esophagus do not communicate.

        …the author may have been referring to the olfactory nerve, which does reside in the nasal cavity:

        The olfactory nerve is the first cranial nerve and is instrumental in our sense of smell. The olfactory nerve contains only afferent sensory nerve fibers and, like all cranial nerves, is paired. The olfactory nerve is the shortest cranial nerve, and along with the optic nerve is one of the only two cranial nerves that do not converge with the brainstem. Embryologically, the olfactory nerve is a derivative of the forebrain and is therefore considered a component of the central nervous system. The olfactory nerve is not myelinated by Schwann cells but rather is ensheathed by olfactory ensheathing glia. The olfactory nerves originate from the cell bodies of bipolar olfactory neurons in the olfactory epithelium, a specialized epithelial tissue found in the posterosuperior portion of each nasal cavity

        Sauce

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      Agreed - that was the part that really made my head spin a bit, especially because the scent of excreted ammonia is something mentioned in a number of encounter reports. Of course, the author could have been familiar with sighting lore, but it’s not something commonly known.

      Quote below is a 6 year old reddit post, but it does a good job of laying out some of the better known cases. Wall of text so you won’t have to visit the bad place:

      UFO/Alien(being) Sightings & Ammonia

      1933 - Chrysville (Pennsylvania):

      A man observed a faint violet light in a field between this town and Morres- town. Walking to it, he found an ovoid object 3 m in diameter and 2 m thick with a circular opening similar to a vault door. Pushing it, he found the room full of violet light and observed many instruments, no occupant. Smell of ammonia. (APRO Jul., 64)

      1954 - March - 5PM - Santa Maria (Brazil)

      Rubem Hellwig was driving when he saw a football-shaped machine, the size of a Volkswagen, on the ground. He walked toward it and met two men of slim build, normal height, their faces brownish, wearing no helmets. One was inside the object while the other collected grass samples. They spoke to Hellwig in a strange language, and yet he said he understood they were asking for ammonia. He directed them to a nearby town. The craft vanished silently and instantly with blue and yellow flames. (1; Humanoids 33)

      http://www.ufoinfo.com/magonia/magonia.shtml

      The Virginia Incident (Brazil)

      An intriguing case. Much of the witnesses were from rural areas and had little or no knowledge of ufology.

      The case begins with the sighting of a cylindrical object flying at low altitude, near a region of farms. The next day a being is seen in the small town of Varginha. Three girls visualize a strange being and run in panic. They associate that creature to a devil detailing its red eyes and brown skin.

      Elsewhere in the town the fire brigade and army are contacted to capture two other creatures. In a few hours a great movement of official vehicles is seen, army trucks, ambulances etc ufologists teams arrive at the scene. And, of course, TV news. Something never seen before in the region. Officers with high ranks try to avoid any open satatement of what was happening, a footage shows an officer refusing answer questions in a press room. The general gets angry and leave the room saying he did it in the name of national security (the Russians invading a farm in Brazil?).

      Meanwhile another army officer army says some disturbing version of the facts: a couple of dwarves had a emergency rescue after the pregnant wife goes into labor (so many trucks for that?).

      About the girls testimony: the army said in the official reports that the testimony was an optical misunderstanding:what they saw was just of one of the locals (a skinny excentric guy, very well known in the town). They said the man was naked and covered in mud because of the rain (the event was before the rain… and, again, so many trucks for that?)

      The girls also reported the smell of ammonia.

      In fact, I believe the girls in question returned to the area this had happened in, and smelled ammonia-like odour still.

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        The girls reported the smell of ammonia.

        I think that smell is part of ufo lore, which kind of points towards this being written by somebody more familiar with the lore than the facts.
        This from another forum…

        The primary named witnesses from Varginha Brazil emphatically stated the alien they stood a few feet from did not smell of anything, and the mother who went to the spot shortly after also denied a smell:

        My search of the literature concerning this case reports the following episode, pertaining to the mother of the two girls who were sisters, Luiza Helena Fatima de Silva. It states she saw the alien creature in Jardim Andere district on January the 20th and reported a peculiar smell when she went to the park at 4:00 PM. I personally questioned Mrs. Silva in reference to this statement and she denied it. I believe this is an important issue, as the rumors of strange smells have become associated with this case. I questioned Bira about this story and he told us the case was filled with rumors, which totally disregarded the facts.

        Valquiria: No. There was no smell.
        Dr. L: Are you absolutely sure? I am asking this because there are many rumors about this case and some of the witnesses have claimed there was a foul odor.
        Valquiria: I am absolutely sure there was no smell whatsoever.

        Liliane: No. There was no smell at all.

        Leir 2006, UFO Crash in Brazil (chapter 4)

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          Interesting - thanks for the info - I never saw that follow-up on Varginha. Note that on that link there are a number of other cases where ammonia is mentioned as well, but I hear you that it’s possible that reports on the ammonia phenomena were exaggerated.

          I absolutely agreed with you that if the author was steeped in UFO lore and looking to write a hoax, that’s a detail they’d likely include. To invent an entire endocrine system to go with it though, down to the specifics of the genetic code… well, that’s Tolkien level dedication right there.

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      Are you an MD? Read the description of the nervous system and reconsider your opinion. Any mention of glia? What about major segmentations of the brain? WTF is a “central lobe”?

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        If you’re an MD, I fear for your patients. Your bedside manner could use a lot less ranting and a lot more thoughtfulness.

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          I’m not an MD. I teach brain physiology to med students though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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            Ok, so stop throwing out inarticulate ridicule and actually provide an analysis. We’ll wait.

            Right now, you’ve given less veracity of your credentials than the author has, claimed that they don’t know what they’re talking about, and refused to provide any specifics other than vague semantics.

            If you really have the credentials you claim, then provide a real peer review of the material with specifics. Seriously - I absolutely want to read it. Until then, you’re presenting us with far less evidence to trust your word over the authors, and wasting everyone’s time with your claims.

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              Why would I peer review this trash? As I said in a comment above they reference “afferents and efferents” which just means that the neural mass is connected to the body. Does it actually contain neurons? Which types? Any resemblance to the ones we know about? Transmitter markers? Amino acid based, fatty acid based, gaseous? Chemical synapses or gap junctions? Are there glia? Is there differentiation into layers or structures?

              So no. No review for you.

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    I don’t care how true or false this report is, FINALLY something different and interesting appears on my Everything feed. It’s refreshing to be able to read a well put-together (if a little LARPy) post with an active comment section that isn’t about linux or elon musk.

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      Damn, dude bro, after spending a couple of days with the trolls on this thread, I could hug you right now. Reactions like yours are exactly why I post.

      If you’re looking for similar content that’s off the beaten path, I mod the 13th Floor, and we’ve always got free rooms available to inquiring minds.

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    That was a fun story. My critique would be making the aliens better physically in most ways makes it less believable. For instance the author decided to have the aliens be able to both see and hear better than us. Having them have a biological trade off in my view would be more compelling. Maybe their eyes are better, but they’re pretty much deaf. Or they have a better visual spectrum, but they don’t appear to be able to focus at long distances. Something like that.

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      Its strongly implied they can neither taste nor smell. Which is fortunate, because according to the story, they excrete their waste at the skin.

      I am not, however, arguing that the story is the real deal. Just that it made interesting trade offs.

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    Well, this was an interesting way to pop my Lemmy first post cherry.

    Extremely interesting. I would love to see something tangible to back this up, although I was not prepared for a physical site to actually be named.

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    I think this was shared before the transition to the new community. I found the content captivating. While there’s no concrete evidence supporting this individual’s claims, it’s notable that many experts in the field refrain from outright dismissing them. This is intriguing to me as I was expecting it to be immediately debunked. It would be great if, in time, we could ascertain the veracity of these claims.

    Thank you for sharing!

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      My pleasure- glad it’s welcome here, I’ve been really enjoying the community you’ve built.

      One of the things I found interesting was the timing of the post - coming after the announcement of the Grusch hearings, but before they took place. This indicates to me that the author may have been one of the people Grusch was referring to when talking about the research on non-human remains, which was not (to my knowledge) declared before the hearings. Given the clear frustration in the writing, they may known that Grusch couldn’t talk about specifics, when the specifics were absolutely incredible discoveries that the author should get credit for.

      There also may be some jealousy of Grusch at play - a frustration that Grusch could talk about things publicly the author didn’t dare to.

      After all, this research would be Nobel material IF real and IF not classified. 15 years of working on research that would change the human race forever, to have it locked away by government bureaucrats - I’d probably go and bitch on Reddit about it too.

      That’s what makes it feel more real to me than anything else, honestly - that frustrated, arrogant voice behind the writing. I’ve worked with writers for 20 years and there’s a certain quality that comes from truth… not facts, but a truth purely written as the author believes it. This writing rings true to me, which is why I copied it and held on to it.

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        One of the things I found interesting was the timing of the post - coming after the announcement of the Grusch hearings, but before they took place. This indicates to me that the author may have been one of the people Grusch was referring to when talking about the research on non-human remains, which was not (to my knowledge) declared before the hearings. Given the clear frustration in the writing, they may known that Grusch couldn’t talk about specifics, when the specifics were absolutely incredible discoveries that the author should get credit for.

        I hadn’t considered the timing. While we have no evidence to suggest a correlation, it’s intriguing to speculate about it.

        That’s what makes it feel more real to me than anything else, honestly - that frustrated, arrogant voice behind the writing. I’ve worked with writers for 20 years and there’s a certain quality that comes from truth… not facts, but a truth purely written as the author believes it. This writing rings true to me, which is why I copied it and held on to it.

        This is very interesting to me. Since writing isn’t my area of expertise, your perspective on this is new information for me. Thanks!

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    This is really neat! A few thoughts: Their hands must be really weak if all the muscles for the fingers are in the hand itself. Or maybe just really big.

    I admit the part I’m most sceptical about is why this man, who was hired to do molecular biology, even allowed to see the bodies? Or read accounts of these aliens spiritual practices? I would assume that the reasurchers would be siloed into specific roles without much overarching idea of what they were looking at. Just given samples by someone with a higher clearance and told what they were looking for.

    Then again, it is the US goverment, efficiency and thinking things through aren’t always their strong suit.

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      This is really neat! A few thoughts: Their hands must be really weak if all the muscles for the fingers are in the hand itself. Or maybe just really big.

      I’ve thought about this myself. If we operate under the assumption that this is real, perhaps they reside somewhere where gravity is controlled.

      Then again, it is the US goverment, efficiency and thinking things through aren’t always their strong suit.

      I would imagine that once you’re “read in”, there probably isn’t much information they would keep from you in regards to biology. Technology and craft would be a different matter. Of course, this is all my speculation.