You will be no better than the people you’ll fight against. I’ve seen it happen on every pro-men subreddit, and if this place isn’t aggressively moderated to dispel hopelessness, negativity, and prejudice, it’ll just turn into hate.

Incel, mens-rights activist, red-pill, black-pill, MGTOW, etc. don’t let the haters join otherwise this community will end up just like the aforementioned.

Egalitarian from a male perspective is what we should be, not pro-male (I say male because of sex and gender).

Be excellent to each other.

  • Anamana@feddit.de
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    1 year ago

    I mean yeah, not much I can say to that. Almost every ideology poses some sort of danger/benefit. But what can we make of it? Take the ‘good’ things and discard the ‘bad’ things. That’s why I don’t see why we should not take out the good things coming with feminism.

    Also no society ever only entailed one single ideology. It’s always been a mix of different influences. At least if we are walking about it on a bigger level.

    As it stands, right now feminism is applied in a way that either ignores or silences men. and thus, it is anti-male.

    That’s not a fact, but an interpretation. So yeah, I disagree. I feel empowered by feminism as a man to be who I wanna be. E.g. to be emotional, caring without the fear being called a ‘pussy’.

    • RandoCalrandian@kbin.social
      10·
      1 year ago

      It’s so funny how the things you say are “facts” and the things others say (if you disagree with it, that is) are “interpretations”, despite you not having a source for a damn thing.

    • a-man-from-earth@kbin.social
      9·
      1 year ago

      As it stands, right now feminism is applied in a way that either ignores or silences men. and thus, it is anti-male.

      That’s not a fact, but an interpretation.

      Objection! Many men have the lived experience of our issues not being taken seriously, but rather them being dismissed. Men are often silenced, because “what about the women? Don’t they have it worse?” And the dismissive “patriarchy hurts men too.”

      • Anamana@feddit.de
        0·
        1 year ago

        You’re just phrasing it differently. Where is your proof if you argue for it to be a scientific fact? Anecdotal ‘evidence’ ≠ scientic fact.

        Men are often silenced, because “what about the women? Don’t they have it worse?” And the dismissive “patriarchy hurts men too.”

        Every critique has its place. Whataboutism never helps.

        And yeah it’s true, patriarchy hurts men as well. I experienced enough of that in my life.

        • a-man-from-earth@kbin.social
          10·
          1 year ago

          Where is your proof if you argue for it to be a scientific fact?

          For example, feminist Mary P. Koss is instrumental in the sexual assault statistics published by the CDC. She redefines rape as something that cannot be done by women to men, thus burying the evidence that rape is not a gendered crime. See https://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/

          That is a systemic silencing of male issues.

          • Anamana@feddit.de
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            1 year ago

            Where is the quote by Mary P. Koss? And how would the quote of one presumably feminist author provide evidence for a systematic issue?

            All I see is an article discussing how the CDC’s definition of rape should be rethought as it might lead to misinterpretation.

            Also, what do you mean by rape is not a gendered crime? No matter the definition, the numbers from NIPSVS show more men are raping women, than women raping men… by a large margin. Even when accounting for ‘made to penetrate’ to be rape. And there’s no country on earth were this statistic will be reversed.

            • a-man-from-earth@kbin.social
              8·
              1 year ago

              Where is the quote by Mary P. Koss?

              It’s easy to find on her Wikipedia page:

              On the issue of male victims of rape, Koss has written: “Although consideration of male victims is within the scope of the legal statutes, it is important to restrict the term rape to instances where male victims were penetrated by offenders. It is inappropriate to consider as a rape victim a man who engages in unwanted sexual intercourse with a woman.” (Koss 1993 pp 206–207). Elsewhere, she has argued that it is impossible for a woman to rape a man: “How would [a man being raped by a woman] happen… how would that happen by force or threat of force or when the victim is unable to consent? How does that happen?”, adding that she would describe this as “unwanted contact”.

              And how would the quote of one presumably feminist author provide evidence for a systematic issue?

              Because her work and her definitions are used by the APA, the CDC, the US Department of Justice, and the WHO.

              Also, what do you mean by rape is not a gendered crime?

              Did you gloss over this part of the article in Time?

              And now the real surprise: when asked about experiences in the last 12 months, men reported being “made to penetrate”—either by physical force or due to intoxication—at virtually the same rates as women reported rape (both 1.1 percent in 2010, and 1.7 and 1.6 respectively in 2011).

              In other words, if being made to penetrate someone was counted as rape—and why shouldn’t it be?—then the headlines could have focused on a truly sensational CDC finding: that women rape men as often as men rape women.

              Hidden in the statistics is the finding that women rape men as often as men rape women.

              Let’s stop hiding male victims.

              • Anamana@feddit.de
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                1 year ago

                And yet your argument still lacks.

                From the CDC website:

                Among men, rape includes oral or anal penetration by a male using his penis. It also includes anal penetration by a male or female using their fingers or an object.

                This is the proof that I see. The CDC actively acknowledges rape by women. I don’t see the connection to Koss, aside from the controversial definition of rape, which I wrote about earlier.

                Hidden in the statistics is the finding that women rape men as often as men rape women.

                Wrong again. It’s the TIME author’s stylistic interpretation to make fun of sensationalist, cherrypicking headlines and not actual scientific evidence. That’s also how the article started.

                Once again if you look at the original NISVS data below, you can see that ‘made to penetrate’ is just one aspect of sexual violence. That’s what the TIME author based his statement on. Even if you count it as rape, there would still be double the amount of female rape victims. Additionally many of the male victims were also victims of other men.

                To summarize, no scientific evidence for systematic silencing of male voices through feminism.

                • a-man-from-earth@kbin.social
                  7·
                  1 year ago

                  Are you having trouble reading, or are you intentionally misreading the Time article?

                  Look at table 1, under the 12-month heading:
                  1.6% of women reported rape, and 1.7% of men reported forced penetration.

                  Please do not gaslight us and deny that rape is not a gendered crime.