I used to be a member of the Libertarian Party, over 20 years ago. When I joined, they asked me to sign a statement rejecting the use of political violence.
Checking on the national LP’s current sign-up page, they still ask new members to check a box that says:
I certify that I oppose the initiation of force to achieve political or social goals.
Since the New Hampshire LP has apparently rejected this principle and instead embraced the initiation of force against current officeholders, we should expect that the national LP disaffiliates the NH LP, right?
Right?
Fuck I was hoping this wasn’t the NH Libertarians.
They’re completely nuts. These are the same people that were running a Bitcoin trading scam and claiming they were a church. Also Ian “it’s fine if I’m dating a 14-year-old” Freeman.
Like, take all the the terrible Libertarian stereotypes, and that’s them.
NH LP needs to be kicked out, their just a bunch of alt right idiots posing as libertarians. It’s really fucked up.
Ian should be happy! When he gets out in 2032, she will be 24, and he won’t be breaking the law!
Didn’t even need to click to know it was NH. They recently tweeted out the 14 words only changing “white” to “Libertarian.” NH Libertarian party are unabashedly Nazis.
From the group that started the movement to reintegrate bears into society.
Yes and no. That was the free staters, a different Libertarian group (but still affiliated, I think).
And as far as I know, that’s over with now.
The bears won.
Definition:
Modern Libertarian: a conservative that’s too cowardly to commit to the bit.
they’re not stupid enough or what? i don’t understand how it works…
They’re too afraid of the label. So they hide behind a less offensive one. It’s like how a lot of racists like to be called “rednecks” instead.
Gotta love a party that hates the same government that they want to run.
That’s like going to a restaurant and having a chef who hates to cook. Or bringing your pet to a vet who hates animals. Do you really think they’ll do a good job?
I mean not that shocking
Many conservatives I know have been saying Congress etc should fear for their lives from “real Americans”. Trump personified the darkest corners of conservative thought and gave them legitimacy.
Dammit, they’re right
I’m all for citizens occupying government buildings for their cause. It’s our property. Yes these people are insane but it’s the principle of free assembly and speech. I also support the right of the Black Panthers to occupy the California state house.
I’m not for government officials overturning a legitimate election
That’s what elected officials are meant to be doing already, anyway. They’re only there through our votes. Elections need to be modernized, imo, to at least guarantee every qualified citizen a mail-in ballot.
I’d be down to occupy some local, state or national land for that message, but organizing also takes a fuckton of resources. Women’s rights, LGBTQ+ rights, men’s rights, whatever - everyone should feel unified by the right to vote. Who gives a damn what anyone votes for; it’s none of my business. But when local elections get less than 15% turnout, states <50, and presidential maybe 65, I’m just enraged that the people left out are the most needing to be heard.
Democracy isn’t only elections. It’s organizing. It’s hard work. It’s punching nazis in the face. It’s standing up for marginalized people and groups.
But our system is set up to make that process difficult or impossible. It is set up to make us vote and then forget it for four years, until we can vote for another turd sandwich or giant douche from the same two parties that caused our problems in the first place.
If people show up in large numbers, shit gets done. If they threaten to harm government officials or destroy the tools of capital, shit gets done. Why do you think the CPC immediately prevents any spontaneous public gatherings and limits wechat groups to 500 people? Why do you think Korea could unseat a president?
If you only vote every four years you are not participating in our system.
There is an election every year. There are party primaries that are critical if you have strong political views.
Participate! People should be showing up in large numbers on the second Tuesday in November if they want to get shit done.
To make sure that people don’t get hurt in mob scenes and to keep the level of chaos down I have an idea. Every two years we can. All get together and decide on a few people to go and occupy the halls of government for the next couple years. We can send them to act as our representatives.
Yes but what if the people choose a terrible representative. We need a system that limits their options to people we choose. Ideally they only get two options we vetted.
But I’m afraid that won’t even be enough, we should come up with a system where the people aren’t directly voting on those representatives but other people will then go and vote on behalf of the people. That way we can divide things so even if the people vote with a majority we can still claim they didn’t get enough electoral votes to win. Since these are next level voters we can call them something like a college of electors. We should also make sure these electors are not distributed equally among the population.
I’m afraid that still wouldn’t be enough for the ruling class to maintain power. Maybe we should also divide their votes into arbitrary lines. We can call them districts. They won’t correspond to any other districts and we can arbitrarily change districts when it’s in our favor.
Even with all that I think we will have to occasionally come up with more measures. Maybe we can jail people for minor crimes more than every other nation in the world and take away their voting rights after they’ve been jailed. We can target specific groups and make new laws that allow us to remove from the system those whose votes would be unfavorable.
Perhaps then and only then will we be a beacon of freedom and hope to all those who wish to be a nation ruled by the people.
I’m not advocating violence, I’m just saying politicians have gotten a lot more brazen with their corruption and hypocrisy since we stopped using guillotines.
What was it, “We’re all domestic terrorists”?
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Yes.
I kinda have to agree with the other guy. They are a real party, but they are a parody of the Republican party, and basically have no elected candidates
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Why is there even a lolbertarian “party”? It’s like Muslims having a Pork & Bacon BBQ joint.
Just watch that narrative spin around the moment one of them gets elected.
Are these the libs that get owned? Or is it the other libs?
There’s a significant difference between the people rising against their government and the people rising against some of the government on behalf of the rest of the government.
That’s what happened on Jan 6th. Those people were launching an assault to support their preferred representatives, they were very much pro-government. Nothing libertarian about it.
