• NeuromancerM
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    She’s right that states and municipalities have the right to impose their own gun laws, since 2a is federal in scope, though it would have been more accurate to say “doesn’t apply” rather than “doesn’t exist,” obviously.

    It does apply. A state can create gun laws but they can’t violate the 2nd amendment.

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      I’m no ConLaw expert, but AFAIK the doctrine remains that the Bill of Rights restricts primarily the federal government, save for 5A and 7A and using either clause to use 2A to override state gun control by all accounts remains a jurisprudential Faustian bargain no justices have yet been willing to make.

      • NeuromancerM
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        No, that isn’t how it works at all. That is a view before the Civil War and partially up till the 1960, but SCOTUS has made it clear. The rights are for everyone, state/federal. The states cannot violate your rights in the constitution.

        One of the arguments in Miranda is that the state did not have to follow the 5th Amendment. As you can tell, that did not work as the state thought.

        • @Septimaeus
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          Hmm maybe my information is out of date or I just need to review. Which case incorporated 2A? Was it more recent than DC-Heller?

          • NeuromancerM
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            Miranda is from the 1960’s.

            Heller is fairly recent but the only reason scotus took the case is states can’t violate the amendments.

            Unless you were born in the 1860’s, it’s been fairly well known that the constitution cannot be violated by states on their citizens.

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              Just so I’m on the same page, we’re still talking about the first 10 (not 13-15, 19, etc.) and the question is whether 2A renders state gun control unconstitutional?

              Edit: Also assuming the latter is true, are we then to read 2a as a guarantee to possession of these weapons to citizens carte blanche?

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                  Then we need to overhaul the court systems and multiply their bureaucratic size and process to satisfy the grand jury requirement of 5A and the civil jury trial right of 7A.

                  And assuming 2a renders state gun control unconstitutional, I presume then we read 2A as a carte blanche guarantee to possession of these weapons to citizens.

                  This is what we propose, yes?

                  • NeuromancerM
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                    22 months ago

                    By default, it doesn’t render it unconsotitional. It means you can’t violate it by restricting rights.

                    We already meet the requirements for 5th and 7th. WHy do you think plea bargains are so popular?