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Donald Trump has said that he will not become a dictator if he becomes US president again except “on day one”, after warnings from Democrats and some Republicans that the US was in danger of becoming an autocracy if he wins the 2024 election. Fuck, well at least he’s honest on this statement

      • kpw@kbin.social
        412·
        7 months ago

        Hard to say what would have happened, but I feel like I was pretty much unaffected as an European the last time.

        • Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world
          19·
          7 months ago

          It is difficult to say because you do not observe the counterfactual. I would definitely say we would have progressed more on climate action if HRC had become president. Also, the culture war issues would have definitely played out differently. The Trump presidency also emboldened Putin, which may have affected the situation in Ukraine. But again, in foreign policy so many things happen simultaneously that it’s often difficult to pinpoint direct causes.

        • problematicPanther@lemmy.world
          5·
          7 months ago

          I live in europe currently, and there’s been a hard right turn here since trump seriously got on the scene. In france Macron only beat the female french trump by a small margin. In Italy, they’ve elected a hard right person as their leader, In switzerland, the right wing party is in power. Trump was the first domino to fall and now we’re going to be seeing shit like that all over.

          but yeah, I was pretty much not directly affected by any of that shit that happened stateside.

        • K[r]ukenberg@feddit.ch
          74·
          7 months ago

          If that is the objective truth, then count yourself lucky for being a white, ethno-european, climate denier.

          • kpw@kbin.social
            21·
            7 months ago

            Yeah, probably wasn’t great for climate action, but that’s true for all conservative politicians not just the crazy ones. How did Trump affect whites and non-whites living in Europe differently?

            • rambaroo@lemmy.world
              3·
              7 months ago

              Stuff and reasons, basically. But actually the worst thing he could do is try to leave or undermine NATO, and ditch Ukraine

    • snekerpimp@lemmy.world
      225·
      7 months ago

      This is the “best” America can push forward, we are already fucked. We were fucked 24 years ago.

      • Nougat@kbin.social
        222·
        7 months ago

        The right wing in America has been sliding further right for a long time, and tending to drag the left along with it. (Nobody is under the impression that the US “left” isn’t actually center-right.) In the last decade, that rightward silde has accelerated. Trump, being the presumptive Republican nominee for president, is the “best” that the lunatic far right - not America - can push forward.

        The Democratic party, representing the left center-right, is no longer allowing itself to be dragged further right. And there remains a fairly large proportion of people who still call themselves Republicans who oppose the burgeoning fascism. Those are the people who feel politically homeless right now; they just need someplace to go and someone to vote for. Liz Cheney is floating a third party run, and I think she’s easily able to consolidate “sane conservative” support.

        I was predicting that the Republican party would split back in 2015. I had no idea they would drag on like this for so long.

      • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
        142·
        7 months ago

        We were fucked 24 years ago.

        Exactly: that’s when the first coup (the Brooks Brothers Riot) succeeded.

    • cannache@slrpnk.net
      16·
      7 months ago

      Let’s not demonize Trump man, he really brought what a lot of people thought would be a culture war into an economic war, which you may think is bad, but it’s actually brought a more muted epiphany for many across both sides that for many people jobs are very important to their lives, unlike in EU where places like Scandinavia, Spain or Greece see culture wars as mud to be stepped on and brushed off but economic sanction is a more realistic declaration of conflict of interest

    • YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.worldEnglish
      525·
      7 months ago

      I don’t think the American people would ever let a Dictator get that far. If Trump gets nominated by the GOP you’ll see so much violence that by election day the entire course of history in the United States will be forever changed. I personally believe the GOP will not let him be nominated and will reject him. Trump will run third party and split the vote and give the Democrats a huge win.

      • agent_flounder@lemmy.worldEnglish
        431·
        7 months ago

        I wished I could be so optimistic. They have had endless chances to reject him and haven’t. It’s almost like Putin has some leverage on a bunch of em lol.

        He will get nominated, but hopefully my fellow Americans will not let him return to the white house.

      • sailingbythelee@lemmy.world
        212·
        7 months ago

        I wish that were true, but I suspect that the American people have become too passive to resist a dictator. He won’t take over by force, but cloaked in legitimacy, just like Hitler and Mussolini did. Heck, you don’t even have to go back that far. That’s Putin’s playbook, too. A Republican President also has a Supreme Court that favors very strong presidential powers and a permanently divided and largely impotent Congress. No real resistance there.

        So, what’s left? The police? American police would love having more power under a dictator. The public hates cops these days, and a dictator would restore their “rightful place” as respected and feared enforcers who will “clean up the streets”.

        The military? Well, that’s a wild card. They may not support a dictator, but they also don’t want to start a civil war. I think a US dictator will give himself enough legal cover and legitimacy to convince the military to hang back from interfering in politics.

        The most likely source of resistance is from individual states. However, I’m not sure what they can do, realistically. Secession would certainly start a civil war, which would play right into the dictator’s hands, giving him the perfect excuse to suspend rights and use the military for domestic purposes.

      • Omega@lemmy.world
        8·
        7 months ago

        They literally had the chance to stop him during his second impeachment after the attempted insurrection. Anyone who didn’t do it then, sure as hell isn’t going to do anything now.

        The last thing the GOP wants to do is piss off his supporters right before the next presidential election. The electoral college could have ousted him during the 2016 election (as people had floated around) too. There’s just not enough people are willing or have the desire to reject him. Many would love to have him as a dictator, they just need the right pieces in the SCOTUS to say it’s in the constitution.

        He’s 100% going to be the nominee now. Even if he goes to jail, he’s still going to be the nominee. The time for anything different is LONG past.