Millennials: Uhm, we’ve been living that dream for over twenty years now.
I’m over 40 (one of the ancient Millennials) and literally I have only been able to live alone for exactly four years out of the twenty-three years since I moved out of my parents. I currently live with a partner, because, you guessed it, it’s about the only way we can afford things now.
20 years ago, I could rent a 1 bedroom small apartment for under $1k. Now you’re lucky to find the same for $2.5k. Pay has not more than doubled. They definitely have it worse than us.
Yes, but it’s worse for everybody. Millennials that have been renting for decades… How the hell are they going to get ahead enough to save up for a down payment!? Meanwhile, housing prices keep rising, outpacing even combined incomes. I realize some people are able to make it work, but I don’t think it’s the majority…
Oh absolutely, didn’t mean for that to be a takeaway. These kids have got it way worse than we do, they were fucked right out of the gate even harder than we did. Just had my Gen X “they forgot about us” moment.
I lived alone for exactly one year before the apartment raised the rent by over %13. I had never been late or missed a payment. Luckily, my fiance, now wife, offered me to move in with her. But I would have had to move soon either way back then because I was being priced out quickly.
Yea 1980 is the cut off. And I was born in 81 and while I understand the gen x around me, my values align with working class millennials and gen z.
I’ve met so many narcissistic gen x that I’m default sus of anyone older than me. Some of the best people I’ve ever known are gen x. But unfortunately many many more of the worst are too.
Don’t misunderstand, I let everyone introduce themselves to me through their own words and actionn. My priors might register but that shits stays in the cupboard, its not even on the back burner. Knowledge of stereotypes, or behaviours associating shit I don’t like does not equal those things, and everyone comes blank slate.
It occurs to me now that that’s prob a remnant of being raised on the meritocracy mythos. And meritocracy IS a myth, that shit isnt real in the slightest. You can’t point at anything in your field of vision and say there, that’s merit. It’s an illusion, but one that feeds to our innate, internal sense of justice. And if you want to dive into an esoteric rabbit hole, Justice is a much more rewarding one.
I think 79 is supposed to be the last year for gen X.
Definitive cutoffs for generations is stupid anyway. It depends way more on socioeconomic class and region than a single year. A millenial born in 81 has way more in common with an Xer from 80 than a millenial from 96.
Nah, more sick of this whiny narrative from people gave up, that’s become so pervasive, people seem to use it to make themselves feel better about either never really trying, staying in a bad situation, or doing drugs till they’re 36 and then wondering why they don’t have nothing.
Could be. Could be I’ve seen so many die to opiod/fentanyl reasons I’ve took a real dim view of recreational use. Addicts need help, sure, not my point though.
C’mon man, that’s a little harsh, don’t ya think? I get that you don’t owe him anything but for real, not everyone’s calling is equally rewarding financially, and you know this, and you know how fucked up it is.
Teachers deserve a wage that allows them to save and vacation every year.
In fact, we all do.
Fast food burger flippers do too. Society could afford it before, that we aren’t doing it now is the result of policy decisions, not some invisible market moral correction voodoo. Workers at Dicks Burgers in Seattle make $21/hr + bene’s and Dicks food is 1000x better than any fast food chain, and cheaper too. The money’s there, it’s just not being spread around.
Good for you achieving your own security, honestly, I mean that. But the scales being balanced is something we all need to work towards. Youre still working class, and right now the games still rigged to make sure you die broke. If we can’t collectively work together to make sure the economy works for us all (cuz what’s the point of a society then? It’s just a fancy meat grinder otherwise), that paramedics make more than minimum wage. I’d like to live in a world where words matter. Where “essential” workers weren’t just sacrificed on the alter of capitalism bc the beaurocratic class got furloughed and are actually treated essential.
Otherwise it’s just a matter of time until another round of Reaganomics or fascists usurp power and either way your union gets busted. Ask the control tower what it’s like when the government doesn’t give a shit about the law, or precident. The law only matters if it’s enforced.
Millennials: Uhm, we’ve been living that dream for over twenty years now.
I’m over 40 (one of the ancient Millennials) and literally I have only been able to live alone for exactly four years out of the twenty-three years since I moved out of my parents. I currently live with a partner, because, you guessed it, it’s about the only way we can afford things now.
20 years ago, I could rent a 1 bedroom small apartment for under $1k. Now you’re lucky to find the same for $2.5k. Pay has not more than doubled. They definitely have it worse than us.
Yeah let’s not pretend it isn’t so much worse now though.
Yes, but it’s worse for everybody. Millennials that have been renting for decades… How the hell are they going to get ahead enough to save up for a down payment!? Meanwhile, housing prices keep rising, outpacing even combined incomes. I realize some people are able to make it work, but I don’t think it’s the majority…
Oh absolutely, didn’t mean for that to be a takeaway. These kids have got it way worse than we do, they were fucked right out of the gate even harder than we did. Just had my Gen X “they forgot about us” moment.
I lived alone for exactly one year before the apartment raised the rent by over %13. I had never been late or missed a payment. Luckily, my fiance, now wife, offered me to move in with her. But I would have had to move soon either way back then because I was being priced out quickly.
I think you might be very very late Gen X, TBH.
I think 79 is supposed to be the last year for gen X.
Yea 1980 is the cut off. And I was born in 81 and while I understand the gen x around me, my values align with working class millennials and gen z.
I’ve met so many narcissistic gen x that I’m default sus of anyone older than me. Some of the best people I’ve ever known are gen x. But unfortunately many many more of the worst are too.
Don’t misunderstand, I let everyone introduce themselves to me through their own words and actionn. My priors might register but that shits stays in the cupboard, its not even on the back burner. Knowledge of stereotypes, or behaviours associating shit I don’t like does not equal those things, and everyone comes blank slate.
It occurs to me now that that’s prob a remnant of being raised on the meritocracy mythos. And meritocracy IS a myth, that shit isnt real in the slightest. You can’t point at anything in your field of vision and say there, that’s merit. It’s an illusion, but one that feeds to our innate, internal sense of justice. And if you want to dive into an esoteric rabbit hole, Justice is a much more rewarding one.
Rawls for the win.
81 gang.
This all reads like a middle aged man making excuses for not trying.
Lolololols. K bud. I think that’s a a big leap you’re taking but you do you.
You can take whatever you want from that, I’m not here to change yr mind.
It’s sometimes 79, sometimes 80, but I just barely scraped by on the other side.
Definitive cutoffs for generations is stupid anyway. It depends way more on socioeconomic class and region than a single year. A millenial born in 81 has way more in common with an Xer from 80 than a millenial from 96.
Oh yeah, no question.
No to derail anything, but the cusp of X and Millenials (77-83) is commonly referred to as a micro-generation in itself (Xennials).
I’m also 40. Too bad you never figured out how to make decent money in 23 years.
Well, that was a bit elitist.
If that’s what you want to call a guy who learned a difficult trade as a straight apprentice instead of dicking around.
Why are you so bitter, old man?
Let me translate for them:
Nah, more sick of this whiny narrative from people gave up, that’s become so pervasive, people seem to use it to make themselves feel better about either never really trying, staying in a bad situation, or doing drugs till they’re 36 and then wondering why they don’t have nothing.
I’m 39 and I do drugs a lot and I pretty much guarantee I’m more successful than you, given what you’ve said.
Maybe let’s leave the drugs out of this discussion
Could be. Could be I’ve seen so many die to opiod/fentanyl reasons I’ve took a real dim view of recreational use. Addicts need help, sure, not my point though.
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C’mon man, that’s a little harsh, don’t ya think? I get that you don’t owe him anything but for real, not everyone’s calling is equally rewarding financially, and you know this, and you know how fucked up it is.
Teachers deserve a wage that allows them to save and vacation every year.
In fact, we all do.
Fast food burger flippers do too. Society could afford it before, that we aren’t doing it now is the result of policy decisions, not some invisible market moral correction voodoo. Workers at Dicks Burgers in Seattle make $21/hr + bene’s and Dicks food is 1000x better than any fast food chain, and cheaper too. The money’s there, it’s just not being spread around.
Good for you achieving your own security, honestly, I mean that. But the scales being balanced is something we all need to work towards. Youre still working class, and right now the games still rigged to make sure you die broke. If we can’t collectively work together to make sure the economy works for us all (cuz what’s the point of a society then? It’s just a fancy meat grinder otherwise), that paramedics make more than minimum wage. I’d like to live in a world where words matter. Where “essential” workers weren’t just sacrificed on the alter of capitalism bc the beaurocratic class got furloughed and are actually treated essential.
Otherwise it’s just a matter of time until another round of Reaganomics or fascists usurp power and either way your union gets busted. Ask the control tower what it’s like when the government doesn’t give a shit about the law, or precident. The law only matters if it’s enforced.
I sure hope you vote for higher local taxes every election. Local elections really matter!
Vote for zoning reform too!