For example, if you insist on buying Advil instead of store brand ibuprofen. I mean, you’d be wasting your money in that example, but you do you

  • ΛdΛm_𝒷
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    moving production elsewhere will change nothing

    Probably yes, but isn’t relying on a single country to get your chips, equal or even more problematic. especially when you know that that country is heavily invested in cyberwarfare, espionage and censorship.

    Even their constitution states that every Chinese product ( software or hardware ), must send data it collects to the government.

    What’s stops them from “chipping” every phone they export ? Or hardcoding spyware into the motherboard or CPU ? Nothing ( this is way more scarier than software level spying )

    What do you think the CCP is gonna do to you? You’re outside of their jurisdiction completely.

    You don’t know that 💀

    it js just propaganda, in a sense that it’s trying to make you think this kind of behavior is somehow unique to Chinese companies or a result of tech being manufactured in China

    This is like Apple saying your Android spies on you… lol ( I believe they did say that )

    I’m aware of US privacy laws ( e.g. Cloud Act ) and technologies ( e.g. Intel ME ), yeah it’s not unique to China

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      especially when you know that that country is heavily invested in cyberwarfare, espionage and censorship.

      Which country isn’t? The US does more spying on its own citizens than China could ever dream of doing. The UK is currently trying to pass a bill to break e2ee.

      Even their constitution states that every Chinese product ( software or hardware ), must send data it collects to the government.

      This is false as far as I know, can you provide a source? China has some of the strictest laws on data protection, you can read more about it here: https://academic.oup.com/idpl/article/12/2/75/6537091?login=false

      This is like Apple saying your Android spies on you… lol ( I believe they did say that )

      Not sure where you were going with this. My point is you don’t hear any of these concerns raised about any other and as we both agree it’s not something unique to China.

      The real reason why you hear a lot of talk about moving production out of China lately is simply because Chinese manufacurers have narrowed the the gap a lot in terms of chip designs and are becoming an actual threat to western comanies’ profit margins.

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        China has some of the strictest laws on data protection

        Is that so ? , protection from who ?

        just so we on the same page, I’m talking about data is gathered, not whether it’s protected ( legally ) , idc

        can you provide a source?

        I’m not a lawyer but I think somewhere in the DSL it mentions data is collected from companies within China and outside, but why is it hard for you to swallow, knowing that US based companies ( with all the power they have, lawyers… Etc ) comply with data collection laws

        Not sure where you were going with this

        It’s more of a metaphor I guess, basically it’s a decoy, they tell you these people are spying on you, while they do the same or worse

        becoming an actual threat to western companies’ profit margins.

        Aaside from that, US officials make good points when they talk about the threat of Chinese products ( Tiktok, Huawei ) from a Cybersecurity perspective

        • @Saizaku@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          Linking to the great firewall article is completely nonsensical in this context, and you would be aware of that if you had bothered to open the link in my previous comment.

          just so we on the same page, I’m talking about data is gathered, not whether it’s protected ( legally ) , idc

          Which is exactly what I’m talking about, which you would again know if you read what I linked.

          I’m not a lawyer but I think somewhere in the DSL it mentions data is collected from companies within China and outside

          It doesn’t, what I linked to discusses the very laws you are talking about at length if you are actually interested rather than just spouting nonsense like “it’s in the constitution”.

          Just so we’re on the same page you have no idea about Chinese laws on gathering, processing and handling of data, but you heard it somewhere, repeat it, won’t bother to research further and then claim there’s no propaganda.

          but why is it hard for you to swallow, knowing that US based companies ( with all the power they have, lawyers… Etc ) comply with data collection laws

          Because they don’t. Evidenced by all the fines the EU is handing out to google, meta, etc. You could also look to all the stuff Snowden blew the whostle on. Do you think they just stopped doing mass surveillance on a global level?

          • ΛdΛm_𝒷
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            Oh, shoot didn’t realize China is a privacy haven, maybe I should move there, maybe I should install Tiktok as well, is that what you’re saying ?

            Because they don’t. Evidenced by all the fines the EU is handing out to google, meta, etc. You could also look to all the stuff Snowden blew the whostle on. Do you think they just stopped doing mass surveillance on a global level?

            There is a misunderstanding here, I meant they do comply with FBI subpoena’s and they do handle data to US government and 3 letter agencies, why is it that you think Chinese companies are safe from their government ? ( I’ll rephrase it : if US gov can just order US based companies to hand over user messages and emails, why can’t China gov do the same to Chinese based companies ? considering their track record )

            I did open your article BTW, it doesn’t answer this question, off course i didn’t read the whole thing

            then claim there’s no propaganda

            how ? When ?

            Didn’t say it’s not propaganda, I was the first to suspect the news I shared to be propaganda, but that doesn’t mean there is no truth in it, that’s how you make successful propaganda, you add false narratives to the real ones, have you listened to why your government officials wanted to ban Tiktok ?