It’s bullshit how the entire OS keeps trying to force you into saving everything to OneDrive when you’re just trying to save a file to your hard drive. They’re bordering on dark patterns with how they try to trick people.
Bordering on dark patterns? Windows is riddled with ads and makes countless unknown connections when online. It’s literally a Trojan OS. I don’t understand how far ms has to push before its users realize that they are being mugged.
I tried a well-supported Linux distro over the summer, and it’s severely not-compatible with my GPU. An OS that crashes every 10 minutes with the FOSS drivers and runs slower than continental drift with the proprietary drivers isn’t a viable alternative to Windows. At some point in the future I might run through a bunch of other distros to see if there’s one that is stable with my hardware, but I honestly don’t have enough time in my life to do that right now. I went back to Windows because I could install it in an hour and be done with it for the next year or two.
There are people who have the patience to continuously fight with their OS in order to get it to do what they want it to… but they’re a small subset of the population. Most people just want their computer to work, and until Linux has that (or until we completely reorganise society so that everyone has both the time and money to be able to spend time making their computer work rather than using the computer), there’s not going to be a rush of people abandoning Windows.
I love the idea of Linux, but was not happy with the stability and support at this point in time. I’m more computer-literate than the average person, and even using a well-supported Linux distro, I found the documentation haphazard and in some cases plain wrong (or severely out of date?) If I struggled with it, I certainly wouldn’t expect people less comfortable with computers to have any capacity to install or run Linux. For all Windows’ flaws (of which there are many), it makes owning and using a computer easy, allowing you to just get on with the work you need to do.
I personally feel like I have to fight Windows more and more to have it behave like I want it to. You still spend time to configure your Linux of choice, but it doesn’t feel adversary.
That’s very strange, which distro and GPU was this? So I don’t recommend that to anyone?
I’m assuming the GPU in question was Nvidia, since AMD and Intel make their driver opensource and baked in to the kernel. Sadly nVidias latest kernel (535) has been troublesome, so I’m still on the previous 525. nVidia is about to release 545, which looks to be very promising.
Luckily on Ubuntu changing driver is as easy as opening the Additional Drivers application, selecting the driver version, hit apply and reboot.
PopOS, Bazzite, and a few others comes with Nvidia drivers preinstalled.
Yeah, it’s an Nvidia GPU on Ubuntu. I tried several versions of the proprietary Nvidia drivers and some open source ones I located via Ubuntu’s Additional Drivers application, and they all left my computer in an unusable state, but in different ways.
Buying a new GPU isn’t an option at the moment, and… yeah, just don’t have enough time to go experimenting with different distros to find the right combination of hardware compatibility and features. I still think it was a worthwhile experiment, and I’m glad I gave Linux a try. But it’s not the right OS for where I’m at right now.
Yeah, I’m thinking in a few years, when I have time to play around with my OS, Mint will be the one I try. I still have some reservations about the enormous number of variables that have to be just right, though: when you’re a gamer and an artist, the list of games, drivers, and software that need to play nicely is quite long!
I installed mint, kubuntu, and pop on a 3060 laptop, and 3080 desktop, and none had issues with GPU, drivers, or gaming. I am brand new to this, starting 2 weeks ago, I’m not experienced for sure.
Lutris gave me a command line to update vulkan, or similar, but otherwise mostly CLI-free too.
Pop specifically has an Nvidia iso as well.
THAT SAID- I still agree this is a “hobby” and if you don’t have time to mess with it, then Linux still isn’t “it just works!!” Like people will claim.
THANK YOU. I’m someone who loves Linux and daily drives it, but it feels like Lemmy’s userbase is just those who moved from r/linuxmasterrace who don’t understand that just because Linux doesn’t cost you any dollars, doesn’t mean it doesn’t cost time, time which people just may not have.
I beg to differ. Fedora Linux worked out of the box on my current Dell laptop, on the previous (Acer) laptop, and the previous pc too (I think it was a Lenovo). No problems whatsoever.
Meanwhile, it took multiple hours to disable the various ads, pulp news, and trackers on the Windows pc that I use for work.
I haven’t used Windows in about 3 years and have never used Windows 11, so I guess my statement is out of date. They pushed me beyond my limit with their constant O365 advertising about 3 years ago and I switched full time to Linux. I use a MacBook Pro for work.
Is there an easy way to get this version as a normal citizen? I remember needing Windows 10 in my previous job a few times a year, and we spent quite a while with our office manager to get me a license and get the LTSC version of Windows installed with the key. It worked eventually, but was definitely trickier than a normal Windows installation.
That to be said, my partner still uses that Windows version and it is definitely the right thing to use, if needing Windows.
Yeah, you can pirate it 😂. Heck, I’ve never bought a single license in my life 😂.
Seeiously though, I don’t think they seel it to individuals, only companies. I think you can buy a regular Enterprise license as an individual, but not an LTSC one.
That to be said, my partner still uses that Windows version and it is definitely the right thing to use, if needing Windows.
It’s the only thing I recommend using IF you just had to use Windows and there was no other way around the issue. In any other scenario, I recommend Linux with Wine.
I’ve been using Linux since the 90’s so you’re preaching to the choir here :D Photoshop and Lightroom work quite badly with wine, so windows it is for my partner.
Edit: you can buy a key from eBay, but it is a bit in the gray area…
Nah, I’m a late adopter 😂. Actually, a friend of mine got me into it, he installed Gentoo (his first distro if you can believe that 😂), but that was too scary for me at the time (2004, 2005 I think 🤔) so I used Mandrake for a while. Then switched back to Win7 and used that for a while and then got back to Linux and now I dual boot with LTSC 2019 (mainly for stuff that are too hard to transfer to Linux, like software that is dependant on hardware to work properly and meant only to be run on Windows).
Yeah, I know about the OEM keys, they’re basically resells, all of them 😂, including the LTSC ones… but why bother when you got KMS38 😂.
I (mostly) use Linux too, but I have Windows 10 LTSC 2019 on dual boot. I need it for work 🤷… not all the time, I’ve replaced most of the things I need, but for some things there is no replacing them (things tied to hardware).
It’s the same as Apple devices. You save something and it puts it where it can be found the same way you saved it…but not necessarily where you think it should be or where it makes sense. The entire ecosystem (both of them) are designed to be insular - you stay in the box and things just work. Yes, people have lost stuff in both cases - usually through their own fault, or the fault of someone who doesn’t actually understand how the system was set up to work.
If we treated MS the way most users treat Apple, there would be little concern. You turn on the device, do things using the MS core apps, and when you go to set up a new device all your stuff auto-populates. It’s just that Windows users tend to muck around with things, use non-Microsoft software, and - especially long time users - expect things to be where they used to be. In trying to make their system more streamlined (and Apple-like, both insular and user-friendly), but allowing the system to be used in a more traditional, manual fashion, you can make things go bad. It’s like adding an automatic transmission to a car but leaving the manual clutch - it can only end in tears.
especially long time users - expect things to be where they used to be
Moving advanced settings around is incredibly frustrating for users. Especially now how they have settings in multiple different places, but they do slightly different things. The POs that design these things are weirdos.
I agree. However, for the “what’s a computer?” crowd, manually adjusting the screen brightness is pretty advanced. They intentionally obfuscate settings they (a) don’t want people messing with - like the ability to show the entire right-click context or uninstalling Candy Crush and (b) which are likely to lead to screwing up their system - like entering their own namerserver IP address or opening ports in the firewall. Still, if I were in a room with Hitler and the person who decided to create the Settings app without all the control panel functions included, and had a gun with only had one bullet, Hitler would still be alive.
Apple’s strategy with it is actually evil though. Sell you low amounts of storage at high prices with little to no options to upgrade, then force you to pay for cloud storage when inevitably the budget iPhone 64gb isn’t enough.
I’m assuming my area is somewhat similar to others in how technology is partly a fashion statement, but these are also people not rich enough to buy more than 128gb phones. I have a feeling that Apple knows this and does it by design to funnel people into their cloud storage.
The insane part is that they do it with all of their products and that people actually use it. In some cases it makes sense, but for the majority of people it’s buying a subscription to use your phon- er, computers storage.
It’s bullshit how the entire OS keeps trying to force you into saving everything to OneDrive when you’re just trying to save a file to your hard drive. They’re bordering on dark patterns with how they try to trick people.
Bordering on dark patterns? Windows is riddled with ads and makes countless unknown connections when online. It’s literally a Trojan OS. I don’t understand how far ms has to push before its users realize that they are being mugged.
I tried a well-supported Linux distro over the summer, and it’s severely not-compatible with my GPU. An OS that crashes every 10 minutes with the FOSS drivers and runs slower than continental drift with the proprietary drivers isn’t a viable alternative to Windows. At some point in the future I might run through a bunch of other distros to see if there’s one that is stable with my hardware, but I honestly don’t have enough time in my life to do that right now. I went back to Windows because I could install it in an hour and be done with it for the next year or two.
There are people who have the patience to continuously fight with their OS in order to get it to do what they want it to… but they’re a small subset of the population. Most people just want their computer to work, and until Linux has that (or until we completely reorganise society so that everyone has both the time and money to be able to spend time making their computer work rather than using the computer), there’s not going to be a rush of people abandoning Windows.
I love the idea of Linux, but was not happy with the stability and support at this point in time. I’m more computer-literate than the average person, and even using a well-supported Linux distro, I found the documentation haphazard and in some cases plain wrong (or severely out of date?) If I struggled with it, I certainly wouldn’t expect people less comfortable with computers to have any capacity to install or run Linux. For all Windows’ flaws (of which there are many), it makes owning and using a computer easy, allowing you to just get on with the work you need to do.
I personally feel like I have to fight Windows more and more to have it behave like I want it to. You still spend time to configure your Linux of choice, but it doesn’t feel adversary.
That’s very strange, which distro and GPU was this? So I don’t recommend that to anyone?
I’m assuming the GPU in question was Nvidia, since AMD and Intel make their driver opensource and baked in to the kernel. Sadly nVidias latest kernel (535) has been troublesome, so I’m still on the previous 525. nVidia is about to release 545, which looks to be very promising.
Luckily on Ubuntu changing driver is as easy as opening the Additional Drivers application, selecting the driver version, hit apply and reboot. PopOS, Bazzite, and a few others comes with Nvidia drivers preinstalled.
Best of luck if you try again in the future
Yeah, it’s an Nvidia GPU on Ubuntu. I tried several versions of the proprietary Nvidia drivers and some open source ones I located via Ubuntu’s Additional Drivers application, and they all left my computer in an unusable state, but in different ways.
Buying a new GPU isn’t an option at the moment, and… yeah, just don’t have enough time to go experimenting with different distros to find the right combination of hardware compatibility and features. I still think it was a worthwhile experiment, and I’m glad I gave Linux a try. But it’s not the right OS for where I’m at right now.
Try something besides Ubuntu some day. I just moved from windows to Fedora and it’s been great for the past two weeks.
Mint. For new users, or experienced ones who want a computer that just works, Mint is the answer.
Yeah, I’m thinking in a few years, when I have time to play around with my OS, Mint will be the one I try. I still have some reservations about the enormous number of variables that have to be just right, though: when you’re a gamer and an artist, the list of games, drivers, and software that need to play nicely is quite long!
I installed mint, kubuntu, and pop on a 3060 laptop, and 3080 desktop, and none had issues with GPU, drivers, or gaming. I am brand new to this, starting 2 weeks ago, I’m not experienced for sure.
Lutris gave me a command line to update vulkan, or similar, but otherwise mostly CLI-free too.
Pop specifically has an Nvidia iso as well.
THAT SAID- I still agree this is a “hobby” and if you don’t have time to mess with it, then Linux still isn’t “it just works!!” Like people will claim.
THANK YOU. I’m someone who loves Linux and daily drives it, but it feels like Lemmy’s userbase is just those who moved from r/linuxmasterrace who don’t understand that just because Linux doesn’t cost you any dollars, doesn’t mean it doesn’t cost time, time which people just may not have.
Yep! Every OS requires the user to pay something, and that’s either money or time - or a certain amount of tolerance for creepiness.
I beg to differ. Fedora Linux worked out of the box on my current Dell laptop, on the previous (Acer) laptop, and the previous pc too (I think it was a Lenovo). No problems whatsoever.
Meanwhile, it took multiple hours to disable the various ads, pulp news, and trackers on the Windows pc that I use for work.
I haven’t used Windows in about 3 years and have never used Windows 11, so I guess my statement is out of date. They pushed me beyond my limit with their constant O365 advertising about 3 years ago and I switched full time to Linux. I use a MacBook Pro for work.
Use asahi on that MacBook :P. Been using it, runs fairly well, although there’s still some stuff missing
It’s not my computer, so I can’t do that. Interesting looking project though.
The second that one gpu can do the thing where your system is linux but you sandbox a windows vm with work software… I will switch that exact second.
It is actually dark patterns. The number of times I’ve saved a file and thought I’d lost it only to find it in OneDrive is infuriating.
Wait for the 11 LTSC release next year, it will have this bullshit removed.
Is there an easy way to get this version as a normal citizen? I remember needing Windows 10 in my previous job a few times a year, and we spent quite a while with our office manager to get me a license and get the LTSC version of Windows installed with the key. It worked eventually, but was definitely trickier than a normal Windows installation.
That to be said, my partner still uses that Windows version and it is definitely the right thing to use, if needing Windows.
Yeah, you can pirate it 😂. Heck, I’ve never bought a single license in my life 😂.
Seeiously though, I don’t think they seel it to individuals, only companies. I think you can buy a regular Enterprise license as an individual, but not an LTSC one.
It’s the only thing I recommend using IF you just had to use Windows and there was no other way around the issue. In any other scenario, I recommend Linux with Wine.
I’ve been using Linux since the 90’s so you’re preaching to the choir here :D Photoshop and Lightroom work quite badly with wine, so windows it is for my partner.
Edit: you can buy a key from eBay, but it is a bit in the gray area…
Nah, I’m a late adopter 😂. Actually, a friend of mine got me into it, he installed Gentoo (his first distro if you can believe that 😂), but that was too scary for me at the time (2004, 2005 I think 🤔) so I used Mandrake for a while. Then switched back to Win7 and used that for a while and then got back to Linux and now I dual boot with LTSC 2019 (mainly for stuff that are too hard to transfer to Linux, like software that is dependant on hardware to work properly and meant only to be run on Windows).
Yeah, I know about the OEM keys, they’re basically resells, all of them 😂, including the LTSC ones… but why bother when you got KMS38 😂.
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I (mostly) use Linux too, but I have Windows 10 LTSC 2019 on dual boot. I need it for work 🤷… not all the time, I’ve replaced most of the things I need, but for some things there is no replacing them (things tied to hardware).
It’s the same as Apple devices. You save something and it puts it where it can be found the same way you saved it…but not necessarily where you think it should be or where it makes sense. The entire ecosystem (both of them) are designed to be insular - you stay in the box and things just work. Yes, people have lost stuff in both cases - usually through their own fault, or the fault of someone who doesn’t actually understand how the system was set up to work.
If we treated MS the way most users treat Apple, there would be little concern. You turn on the device, do things using the MS core apps, and when you go to set up a new device all your stuff auto-populates. It’s just that Windows users tend to muck around with things, use non-Microsoft software, and - especially long time users - expect things to be where they used to be. In trying to make their system more streamlined (and Apple-like, both insular and user-friendly), but allowing the system to be used in a more traditional, manual fashion, you can make things go bad. It’s like adding an automatic transmission to a car but leaving the manual clutch - it can only end in tears.
Moving advanced settings around is incredibly frustrating for users. Especially now how they have settings in multiple different places, but they do slightly different things. The POs that design these things are weirdos.
I agree. However, for the “what’s a computer?” crowd, manually adjusting the screen brightness is pretty advanced. They intentionally obfuscate settings they (a) don’t want people messing with - like the ability to show the entire right-click context or uninstalling Candy Crush and (b) which are likely to lead to screwing up their system - like entering their own namerserver IP address or opening ports in the firewall. Still, if I were in a room with Hitler and the person who decided to create the Settings app without all the control panel functions included, and had a gun with only had one bullet, Hitler would still be alive.
Haha!
Apple’s strategy with it is actually evil though. Sell you low amounts of storage at high prices with little to no options to upgrade, then force you to pay for cloud storage when inevitably the budget iPhone 64gb isn’t enough.
I’m assuming my area is somewhat similar to others in how technology is partly a fashion statement, but these are also people not rich enough to buy more than 128gb phones. I have a feeling that Apple knows this and does it by design to funnel people into their cloud storage.
The insane part is that they do it with all of their products and that people actually use it. In some cases it makes sense, but for the majority of people it’s buying a subscription to use your phon- er, computers storage.