Sanders says he doesn’t know that a ceasefire is possible ‘with an organization like Hamas’ | CNN Politics
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Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders said Sunday he doesn’t know that a ceasefire is possible in the Israel-Hamas war with “an organization like Hamas” involved.

Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders said Sunday he doesn’t know that a ceasefire is possible in the Israel-Hamas war with “an organization like Hamas” involved.

“I don’t know how you can have a ceasefire, (a) permanent ceasefire, with an organization like Hamas, which is dedicated to turmoil and chaos and destroying the state of Israel,” Sanders told CNN’s Dana Bash on “State of the Union” Sunday.

  • WuTang English
    1•8 months ago

    “I don’t know how you can have a ceasefire, (a) permanent ceasefire, with an organization like Hamas, which is dedicated to turmoil and chaos and destroying the state of Israel,

    This is pretty clear to me. this fallacy of saying “destroying the state of Israel”, which is

    1. impossible - this a high-end military state
    2. this is Israel which is fucking destroying palestine, there is no more factual than this.
    3. hamas* or whatever you call it today is just “replying” to this fact

    As far as I know, this is not Israeli which get their water/food/electricity/movement/borders controlled, this is not Israeli under the bombs, this is not Israeli moving to the south…

    So Bernie… we can’t even talk kind of chessmaster rhetoric (“ya know, he critics Israel behind”), this is pure cowardice if not dishonesty (by its affiliation)

    *cause of course, Isreal is creating generation of - legit - haters

    • NoneOfUrBusiness
      -1•8 months ago

      He kind of has a point. The idea that a permanent ceasefire with Hamas is impossible has some merit. The keyword here is permanent, that any ceasefire will eventually collapse and lead to this situation happening again. Then he clarifies what should be done instead.

      I don’t agree with him on this point, don’t get me wrong, but the point seems to be that a return to pre-Oct 7 conditions won’t do any favors for everybody. He says this too in the article:

      “The immediate task right now is to end the bombing,” Sanders said Sunday, “to end the horrific humanitarian disaster, to build – go forward with the entire world for a two-tier, two-state solution to the crisis to give the Palestinian people hope.”

      That’s a pretty agreeable position.

      • WuTang English
        1•8 months ago

        Again, you are ignoring the context. This is not Hamas - or whatever you call it today - a population is getting decimated on a faster pace right now! 7 Oct was tragic (still, not everything has been investigated yet and we know Israeli’s trend to inflate shit) but it CAN’T be drawn as a sacred milestone which could erase all the previous and atrocious forfeits, should I say “crimes”, committed by Israel.

        • NoneOfUrBusiness
          0•8 months ago

          I mean he says the bombing needs to end and has voted as much in the Senate… He’s definitely not claiming Israel is in any way innocent.

          We’re falling into the trap of “Do you condemn Hamas” here. Not any mention of Hamas needs to be accompanied by a condemnation of Israel, just as not every mention of Israel needs to come with a condemnation of Hamas.

          • WuTang English
            1•8 months ago

            We’re falling into the trap of “Do you condemn Hamas” here.

            Not at all, I see what you mean but no. The “relation” is irrelevant here. Who has the power, the control and who is dying?