Holodomor was a genocide perpetuated by fascists against the working class of an unfavored nationality to benefit the favored nationality. It’s a great example of why you redfash aren’t socialists.
Bolsheviks red fascism ?? I could easily just be ignorant on this matter- but that’s not what murdered tens of millions of my anscestors- Bolshevik communists led by Jews did.
International communism is the world status quo- I’ll take the side of its obvious enemies who created the most successful and homogenous society in the shortest time.
Quite sure this is not what happen. The Soviets were trying to build socialism via the process of collectivization. While some argue that it was also a process of suppression of Ukrainian nationalism, the collectivization was the official policy at the time in the whole USSR and it destroyed lots of farmers everywhere, and killed or sent to exile huge amount of farmers and their families. Ukraine was affected more since it was primarily agricultural with strong farmer class. But hunger and deaths from hunger were common in other agricultural regions too, just to less extend than in Ukraine. In any case, this is what the process of collectivization did, the process of building socialism. Farmers do not want to give up the means of production - hence the forced collectivization.
But my main point that calling selfish those who against socialism because they know about these historical examples is just wrong.
Holodomor was a genocide perpetuated by fascists against the working class of an unfavored nationality to benefit the favored nationality. It’s a great example of why you redfash aren’t socialists.
They were Bolshevist, who were the first communists- fascism arose as a response to communism.
Fascism arose as a response to anarchism, liberalism, pluralism, democracy, and socialism, as did the Bolshevik’s red fascism
Bolsheviks red fascism ?? I could easily just be ignorant on this matter- but that’s not what murdered tens of millions of my anscestors- Bolshevik communists led by Jews did.
International communism is the world status quo- I’ll take the side of its obvious enemies who created the most successful and homogenous society in the shortest time.
They were red fascists, and the only good fascist of any kind is a dead fascist
Quite sure this is not what happen. The Soviets were trying to build socialism via the process of collectivization. While some argue that it was also a process of suppression of Ukrainian nationalism, the collectivization was the official policy at the time in the whole USSR and it destroyed lots of farmers everywhere, and killed or sent to exile huge amount of farmers and their families. Ukraine was affected more since it was primarily agricultural with strong farmer class. But hunger and deaths from hunger were common in other agricultural regions too, just to less extend than in Ukraine. In any case, this is what the process of collectivization did, the process of building socialism. Farmers do not want to give up the means of production - hence the forced collectivization.
But my main point that calling selfish those who against socialism because they know about these historical examples is just wrong.
It’s exactly what happened; your regurgitation of redfash propaganda does nothing to change that.