Everyone should watch the video. Ignorance is not, in fact, bliss. That man was murdered by our government because he dared to protect his fellow citizens. No one can appreciate how egregious that killing was until they see it in living color.
Hiding from the truth because the truth is hard, is no way to live. We should all know what it happening. It will effect us all sooner than we think.
This is a fantasy land take that has no basis in reality or human history. At some point, it becomes a matter of physical well being for yourself and those around you. Telling people to just suck it up and take a beating/killing for the benefit of their “soul”…my god. Rejoin the real world buddy. It can be a scary place, but at least it’s real, not whatever bizarro world you are speaking from.
You let bullies walk on you, and they will keep doing it. The only thing that will stop them is letting them know that they will pay a real price if they keep at it. Trying to spin this “peace at all costs” worldview is intellectually dishonest and counterproductive.
Did you even read your comment before you posted it? “Let’s have another self inflicted great depression because a pedophile wants to hide his crimes, and after the government murders enough of us in the street to make us mad, then let’s do something about it.” That type of attitude is why we are in this situation. It’s honestly pathetic, but you do you.
The fact that some of you are so upset by reality is not my problem. Protest is one facet of resistance. It can’t be the only one to be effective. You can pretend we live in some lala land where fascists are going to wake up one day and realize how wrong they are because of a great post on lemmly, but I live in the real world, and that’s not how it works here.
Perhaps exercising a literal CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT (2nd Amendment - you should look it up) offends you, but did you ever consider that was it was there for a reason? There are plenty of ways to respond forcefully and non-lethally short of your ridiculous example. Sometimes the threat of force is sufficient. Sometimes it isn’t. Maybe we should explore those options as a country instead of burying our heads in the sand and pretending that it’s all going to be fine. Shutting down the conversation because it makes you uncomfortable isn’t helping anyone.
What a fantasy land you are living in.
Even if you were right about the legal system keeping up (you’re not), it is failing so hard is other ways, it doesn’t even matter. Do you remember Citizens United where the Supreme Court allowed endless and unchecked amounts of money to flood our political system accelerating us down this path of division? How about SC giving our president complete immunity to do whatever he wants in office? Or the Trump appointed judge that intentionally derailed his prosecutions so no one could hold him accountable? Or how about the SC justice that retired early so his son could get a cushy job in return for Trump being able to appoint another justice? That legal system? Yea, it’s functioning great. A real bulwark there.
Secondly, you really believe that was this one series of peaceful protests the ONLY and driving factor behind Indian independence? Not the fact that the British had a failing empire and needed funds to rebuild after WWII? How about the fact that they had their hands full in the middle east and China at the same time? Or that they no longer had the forces, resources or will to contunue to fight the armed resistance in the country? Chalking up a remarkably complex series of events and outcomes to a single factor shows how little you understand about the world.
No one is asking anyone to bleed for anyone. I just don’t have blinders on and can see what is coming. I also have a deep enough understanding of history to understand how freedom is obtained and maintained. Sorry that offends you, but it really seems like a personal problem. Have fun with that.
Comical edit. Can’t actually respond with substance, so you try to misstate the position you cannot rebut and undermine it will a silly ad hominem attack because I haven’t used a forum for as long as you. Classic.
Let’s be clear - I wish the world didn’t work the way it does, but you can’t argue with millenia of human history. Even your own examples of idealisn were so paper thin, they couldn’t stand 5 minutes of scrutiny. I would honestly love to live in a world where reason and intellect were sufficient to win the day. Unfortunately, whenever we start down that path, it always seems to get blown up by bad actors that would rather see the world burn than lose power. Burying your head in the sand about reality doesn’t help anyone.
Bad actors are in charge. They have no respect to our current system or the people in it, and they are actively trying to destroy it for their own personal gain. We can either let them, or we can do something about. If seeing and understanding the magnitude of our current situation makes me a “larper”, so be it. I’d rather be that than whatever you are, or are pretending to be.
Good luck to you out there. Sounds like you are going to need it.
Zero. Your point?
You avoided the primary question - what’s the line them? It honestly doesn’t even really matter, since the whole premise of your post is that there is a line and that you eventually have to strike and use force. Our only disagreement is where that line actually is.
Besides, acting like Portland was some grand victory is just silly. OK - the national guard is out of Portland for the moment. They just moved on to their next target. They flood the zone and move fast so the legal system can’t keep up. The damage was already done and they just moved to sow chaos in a new location with a different militarized force. What a win.
Peaceful protests are an important tool to the fight, but these people only fear consequences. Physical, emotional, reputational or financial harm. It’s a multi-faceted fight, but that’s what it is - a fight. If they think they can best you through physical force alone, that’s what they will do. You can’t let them think that. You need a stick to respond in kind with.
Maybe you should read up on the Hindustan Socialist Republican Association or the Indian National Army. They both played major roles in Indian independence. Ghandi is a great story, but guess who he had as a counter balance? The stick.
“I don’t want, and shouldn’t have, to do/see something difficult, because of the negative implications it may have on me personally.” I think that logic is bunk.
It is cover for avoiding the hard realities of life and the world around us. It is cover be being a coward. We should confront the difficult moments, not hide from them because they will make us feel complicated emotions that we will need to process. That attitude is exactly how we ended up here a country and it should be called out for what it is - fear and weakness. Now is not a time for either, unless we want this situation to get worse.