Here’s a tip. Pay your employees better.
If you continually buy product from a place that doesn’t pay their staff better, all you’re doing is rewarding the business owner and telling them to keep doing what they’re doing. It solves nothing and doesn’t get rid of tipping culture to keep giving these shitty businesses your money.
If you continually [work for] a place that doesn’t pay their staff better, all you’re doing is rewarding the business owner and telling them to keep doing what they’re doing. It solves nothing and doesn’t get rid of tipping culture to keep giving these shitty businesses your [time].
I obviously don’t agree with this opinion; I don’t think either of them makes sense. Boycotting a business from the consumer side leads to fewer tips and layoffs, while boycotting a business from the employee side results in… unemployment. Both scenarios objectively harm workers. Change either needs to come from the top down via legislation, or from the bottom-up via unionization.
Profit trumps wages. Always has.
You think the cashier is the owner?
Wait profit share counts as employee owned? Huh, TIL I work for an employee owned business.
Haha hol’ up H.E.B stands for H. E. Butt Grocery?!
“Hey I’m heading down to the Butt Grocery you want some shit?”
My tipping habits are purely chaotic whim or lack of attention in the moment. I accidentally tipped $70 to the guy who tinted my windows the other day.
My tipping habits are ask you boss for a raise. I’m already paying for the service through predicated prices.
Greasing palms can accumulate good faith benefits. But I mean, tipping for a fast food burger, yeah… probably no tat for that tit.
Shitty brutal take that punishes unorganized young workers and rewards the person making their life harder.
Tipping rewards the boss. If the workers don’t get tipped, the boss has to make up the difference.
Not even close. I am already am paying for their wages. Fight for equal pay rather then begging for change.
About a year ago I accidentally tipped a blackjack dealer thirty dollars.
I meant to tip ten (two red chips)
But my colorblind ass tipped thirty (one red chip one green chip)
I wasn’t even mad when I realized what I’d done. Figured my mistake made that dealer’s day just a tiny smidge better.
I love punishing low wage workers while making statements on how the system should change.
“Oh, you thought you could afford to take a day off this week to help an elderly parent make it to a doctor appointment? Nah, get fucked. You can’t afford to that and buy groceries.”
It sucks that low wage workers are stuck in the middle, but corporations are also relying on customer guilt to pay their labor costs while posting record profits.
It’s not really fair to blame the customer for that.
Yes it is. Knowingly rewarding shitty business practices and making it “nobody’s fault!” is literally your fault. The business has no incentive to change their policies if you keep spending money there.
I’m not sure how I made it “nobody’s fault”. It’s the corporation’s fault for low wages, and the government’s fault for allowing them to do that.
You’re right that they have no incentive to change on their own. And if every business is doing it, it’s not realistic to tell consumers to just stop going to every business.
You realize you’re turning against consumers in the same economic class instead of turning on the people actually creating the problem.
Actually, they’re saying boycott those businesses instead of supporting them, so that maybe actual change can happen. Those business owners only care about their bottom line, it’s just that the people with the power to actually effect that bottom line instead say “here’s a tip, get a better job” to the lowest person on the ladder.
And if every business is doing it, it’s not realistic to tell consumers to just stop going to every business.
I don’t know how you can say “boycott those businesses” with a straight face when asking for tips has become so pervasive in every customer-facing industry.
Idk where you live, maybe it’s different there, but where I am this is an absurd hyperbole. Never have I ever been asked to tip at the grocery store, for instance, nor at fast food places like mcdonalds and wendys that specifically forbid their employees from taking tips, nor megastores like Target, Walmart, etc, nor at local shops which tbh are almost all replaced by corporations around here anyway (hate it but I guess the people have spoken). Sure, restaurants, ice cream stands, coffee shops; y’know the places that have been customary to tip since like, what, the last 100 years? Yeah, they still ask for tips.
I will concede there is one unusual place asking for tips I’ve seen in my area, a thrift store, but they also pay fairly, it just so happens that they didn’t design the android-tablet-POS-OS that they use and the people that did design it included a tip screen. Do I think the devs should make that optional, or make it able to be changed to donations instead of tips? Sure, but unfortunately they seem to have neglected that and afaik it’s closed source, so unless they update it we’re stuck with it.
But the other person has a point. It’s every business nowadays trying to subsidize employee wages with tips. So as a customer we’re not supposed to go anywhere? How is that possible? I’ll not cross the picket line, but I also need to buy food and groceries and live my life.
Idk about you, but I haven’t been asked to tip at my grocery store one time. I also shop at one that does cost a bit more but also does pay a bit more than other local competitors. You could always cook at home.
I also do tip food service on the rare occasion I patronize the business, which is another way. While you’re still supporting the scummy business you don’t also have to feel high and mighty about not tipping the exploited worker while doing so, you can just tip them instead.
So your saying we should reward the buisness for their poor practice by giving them our money and then protest the practice of tipping by not giving the low wage worker any?
It’s not up to the customer to directly pay the wages of restaurant employees, period. No one is ever “owed” a tip. The food service industry convinces their employees otherwise, and the result is employees blaming customers for the wage theft that the employer is committing. Blaming customers for not tipping is misguided.
Okay. We’re past this point in the debate. No, it SHOULDN’T be the customer’s responsibility, but that’s exactly what it becomes when you justify your nice night out off of the underpaid labor of someone who is just trying to pay their bills. Restaurant owners laugh all the way to the bank reading these threads because they’re the ones profiting off of your disdain for a low income worker.
No, no one is saying anything like that, I think they made a pretty clear statement
It’s not my fault the system is broken. I’m not going to subsidize them. If they want fair wages they should unionize.
Stop rewarding the business owner with your money while they’re robbing their employees. You only exacerbate the situation with this mentality.
No, you’ll just subsidize the people exploiting them instead because it’s convenient and you can’t be bothered to heat up your own nuggies, all the while feeling holier than thou about not “subsidizing” the actual worker.
Sounds cool bro.
Me too
Uh no. There are limits to tipping no matter how much empathy you have. Thinking if a tip is asked for means you are necessarily fuck the worker means you’re falling for a scam a significant amount of the time, and in cases like that it 100% wouldn’t surprise me if a lot if such owners are keeping the tips for themselves. That shit is illegal but happens all the time without consequence
A local ice cream shop asked me to tip on the very first screen when I swiped my credit card. You scooped ice cream a couple of times and put it into a bowl. Ridiculous.
In Cupertino there was a self serve yogurt shop (I think it was called Yogurtland) where the cashier only rang you up by weight, and their checkout system asked for a tip, but they never offered to tip customers for doing the majority of the work.
There are legitimate reasons to not tip someone. Being a cashier typically does not necessarily obligate someone to tip you. Lots of times people will say “keep the change” at a fast food restaurant and the workers take home maybe $10 each on a busy shift, but that isn’t really tipping.
If you hate legitimate “tipping culture” so much, stop making it the minimum wage earner’s problem that they work for a shitty employer and start boycotting places that refuse to pay their workers a living wage.
Fucking everywhere does this now. Are we boycotting everywhere?
Australia doesn’t do tips. I think they’re saying move to Australia or you’re a class traitor.
If you have principles, yes.
Sorry that activism is inconvenient sometimes
Ok. Good luck boycotting everywhere. That’s sure to be the solution here.
Yes, everywhere and everything. Every stitch of clothing you wear, the home you pay for, the food you eat, it’s like six degrees of Kevin Bacon but for sin. Live in an abandoned cave in a forest on the moon or you’re supporting someone you don’t like.
I never tip if I’m picking up takeout food, but I will always tip if I’m eating in or if I’m getting it delivered to me.
I wish tipping was not a thing in the States, I’d rather pay more upfront and not have to tip :V
The thing is, these restaurants make more than enough money to pay their workers more. The tip culture came during a time when rich people wanted to be sat first ahead of the poors in line, so they bribed the maitre d to be preferentially treated. Any restaurant owner talking about “razor thin margins” is full of shit. I’ve seen what restaurant owners drive. I’ve seen the vacations they take. No restaurant owner at a successful restaurant is in the breadlines.
Lemmy:
It’s all about class solidarity!
Also Lemmy: Unless the minimum wage exploited employee is a cashier, in which case fuck’em.
It’s good to remember that no social media platform is a monolith of opinion.
Fair.
It still seems like this post is getting far more support, and less pushback, than I would expect given the support I’ve seen for anti-capitalist, anti-work, “class consciousness”, posts.
When the cashier has a union and strikes, I won’t cross the line. Otherwise, get over it! Spit in my food if you have too.
I’m dealing with my own workers rights problems, I can’t take on everyone else’s at the same time.
Servers have an established expectation of relying on tips to get a living wage, and often earn less than the minimum wage otherwise. The same is not true for cashiers. Maybe they should be paid more, but that should not be done by creating more reliance on tips to subsidize low wages.
Bosses are legally required to make up the difference to minimum wage if a tipped employee doesn’t get enough tips.
If I tip a cashier, then we’re taking money away from the working class to give to the working class, which means there’s no net change. But if I refuse to tip, the boss has to make up the difference and the working class gets money from the capital class.
Therefore tipping is class treachery. You’re depriving the workers of chances to take money from the bourgeois.
Context is king: that cashier sees none of those tips because you used your debit card and the ‘tip’ goes directly into the corporations bank account.
Loblaws already has a fat enough margin with the gouging, they don’t need any extra boosts from my just-about-broke ass.
What does Bob Loblaws Law Blog have to say about it?
Tune in next week on the rural juror to find out!
Tell me you haven’t worked a menial job without telling me you haven’t worked a menial job
nah, I’ve worked in the food service industry. Places asking for tips on carryout orders is manipulative and gross.
This neglects the very real COL crisis we’re living in and the refusal for states to raise minimum wage to appropriate levels that allow these workers to actually survive. Demand better treatment of workers by not rewarding predatory businesses.
You should never be afraid to not tip. It is optional.
I’ve started carrying cash again for the first time in like 30 years, just so I don’t have to deal with this shit anymore. Fuck off, beggars!
I only use cash cause fuck the bank and credit card company tracking every purchase I make and selling my data to anyone. Not getting extorted for bribes by these fuckheads is just a bonus.
They should be so lucky to earn shit pay! Fucking starve!
No, their employer should pay them a living wage. It shouldn’t be legal for the rich motherfucker who owns the business to hire people for almost nothing, and then pretend it’s a good paying job because he lets them beg every customer for a percentage of their bill. Tips are just employers outsourcing the compensation of their employees to consumers under the pressure of guilt.
People who moralize tipping are fucking scum. Tip or don’t. Preferably don’t. Don’t make a long list of BS rules when and how much you’ll tip. Don’t go off your gut either; because that’s how you end up subconsciously tipping in ways that are passively racist and sexist. Flat amount.
Tip the same amount no matter what, even if that amount is zero.
Tips are usually pooled with the others that did the “work” you approve of.
You seem really cool anyway.
When did he transition to a man? I’ve only ever seen him with huge jugs. Good for him.
Sounds like you’re all “tip”, actually. 🤌🏼
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In your mind there exist people who just tip every time they’re asked no matter the context?
I wish I lived in a world where people could literally afford to be that dumb.
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Right because unless you force a tip to an employee without being asked, likely against company policy, and incredibly awkwardly, then you are a HyPoCrItE.
I actually find that a good chunk of people who use the word hypocrite either don’t know what it means, or cram it into scenarios where it’s a huge stretch, or a combination of both.
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Even more lols after looking at your comment history. It practically never fails if someone says “unhinged” they are a conservative JAQer
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I’m aware you want to seem not conservative
3rd party here -> isn’t scrolling through comment history an ad hominem?
because it isn’t addressing the point.
However, I’d say that a lot of times the rich people are poor tippers because in their minds “their presence” is your tip.
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