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“Will you vote for Biden in the 2024 election?” [Y/N]

  • Stern@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Man I just want to vote for a better candidate not strategically vote so the worst one doesn’t get elected. Why tf isn’t Trump in jail yet

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      8 months ago

      They had four years to prosecute him. At some point they’re either stalling to make it an election issue, which is disgusting, or they’re trying to run out the clock on the public’s anger so they can look effective while avoiding angering his base. Which is also disgusting.

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        8 months ago

        Trump has been prosecuted. This kind of slow process isn’t unusual like you’re implying, though. It’s the norm for our system of justice.

        • Maggoty@lemmy.world
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          8 months ago

          Oh are the trials done? Did they decide to declare him not guilty and not tell the news?

          Trials usually take a week. You’re telling me that nowhere in the last four years we’ve had the evidence we could find a week to do it?

          • frezik@midwest.social
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            8 months ago

            The word “prosecution” just means he’s been officially accused in court.

            Trials do not take a week. Maybe they do for speeding over 30. Not for mishandling classified documents or election fraud. That is not at all how things work.

            • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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              8 months ago

              There are people accused of crimes sitting in jail (not prison, jail) for 4, 5, 6 years before ever having a trial.

            • Maggoty@lemmy.world
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              8 months ago

              So the prosecutor is doing what then? What could possibly be the verb of their title?

              And yes. The actual trial is generally pretty short.

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                8 months ago

                The prosecutor has been going over literally tens of thousands of pages of evidence to build a case. The defense is also entitled to go over many of the same documents. Short of hiring a literal army of lawyers, there is no way to speed this up. Even hiring an army doesn’t solve everything. Communication channels increase geometrically with the size of the team, and past a certain point, it slows things down more than it helps. Worse, combinations of things can be missed by two different people seeing two different documents that together would point to something, but it’s never adequately communicated across the team.

                The trial you speak of is the end result of months to years of this process. It typically takes 12-18 months for a federal prosecution to get to that point. Even that is after they’ve been gathering evidence for some time before that. Trump’s case is nothing unusual in that regard.

                On top of that, federal judges have an oversized case load. We could probably quadruple the size of the federal bench to get it to something reasonable. Which means there’s a very good reason to expand the bench beyond unfucking the fact that Trump stuffed it after McConnell held a bunch of seats open under Obama.

                The one thing that is uniquely slowing it down is the Supreme Court taking up the presidential immunity challenge. The other federal trials are on hold until they make some kind of decision. That wouldn’t necessarily mean a full hearing of the Supreme Court, or if it does get that far, they may undo the stay that’s currently stopping trials from proceeding. If so, that would be an indication that they don’t think Trump has immunity, but want to put their stamp on a constitutional issue that hasn’t come before the court before.

                Otherwise, this is how the system works for everyone. It needs to be fixed in general, but Trump is not getting any special treatment. This length of time is far from unusual.

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                  8 months ago

                  So put a literal army of lawyers on it. It’s not like it’s important or anything.

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                    8 months ago

                    Let me get this straight - you want the government to cut a check made out to Donald Trump for a “literal army” of lawyers? Because that’s how that would work. The criminal justice system cannot place an unreasonable financial burden on a defendant that is presumed innocent.

              • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
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                8 months ago

                you have no idea what you’re talking about. I’ve been in trials that have gone months as an expert witness, it’s not uncommon at all.

                and it’s prosecutors, how can you be so ignorant of the situation at hand and yet critical about things you obviously don’t comprehend?

                91 counts buddy, that’s multiple court cases, multiple prosecutors, multiple trials, multiple appeals etc.

                Multiple opportunities for Trump to get his base frothed up to murder people.

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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      8 months ago

      Because if Biden moved any faster there’d have been zero reason to vote for Biden in 2024…

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        8 months ago

        There should be zero reason to vote for Biden because he said he would be a 1 term president and should have used the time to push new voices of other members of the Democrat party up into the spotlight while working on big policy plans even if they wouldn’t go through.

        Instead even the vice president disappeared of the face of the earth and the DNC is considering Governors Newsom and Whitmer as replacements for Biden if he dies in office.

        They waste so much time and do so little to actually make an impact in the minds of voters.

          • Krauerking@lemy.lol
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            8 months ago

            Biden:

            “I feel good and all I can say is, watch me, you’ll see,” he said. “It doesn’t mean I would run a second term. I’m not going to make that judgment at this moment.”

            I mean he did, then rolled back on it but before his election.
            But that’s fair I didn’t hear the rollback and he took it back before he was even elected. It doesn’t make his Staffers saying he is too old to run again in 2024 all the way back in 2019 look very good though.

            • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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              8 months ago

              I’m not going to make that judgment at this moment

              Is not anywhere close to

              I will be a one term president

              • Krauerking@lemy.lol
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                8 months ago

                How about:

                It doesn’t mean I would run a second term.

                Cause he said it during an interview about his age before his first election and it’s right there being ignored by you to pull a different part of his statement.

                Did he backpedal even before he was officially elected, sure did. But he was happy to imply he was thinking about single term during the race.

                • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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                  8 months ago

                  It doesn’t mean I would run a second term.

                  Is also not anywhere close to

                  I will be a one term president

                  • Krauerking@lemy.lol
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                    8 months ago

                    You keep waiting for the perfect statement, trying to weasel around the fact that he didn’t directly say exactly what was implied. Even happy to pull apart the wrong parts of a sentence just to confuse the statement more.
                    Him talking about he feels good for being old but just because he feels ok now doesn’t mean he will run for a second term, is him using language to imply that he is considering a single term. Which he reversed on so that the conversation wouldn’t be about how old he is.

                    But I guess the card says moops.

          • Krauerking@lemy.lol
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            8 months ago

            Nah just a pissed progressive Democrat using some slightly outdated statements for the term limitation as he backed off that and it was the stated goal from his staff not him.

            Harris actually is getting bad numbers and there is casual conversation about not having the VP take over if Biden croaked.
            That and im just generally tired of the bullshit.

        • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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          8 months ago

          They’re obsessed with money because they forget money isn’t the end goal.

          Sure, it might cost millions of dollars to convince someone to eat a shit sandwich. But if the real goal is just getting them to eat, you could probably just give them a free pizza.

          They compromise shitty candidates for donations to convince people to vote for the shitty candidate. But those compromises for donor money means they now need more do or money. It’s a never ending cycle

          If you mention we could just run a good candidate and need less money they start screeching. Because they like the lifestyle of being important and having wealthy connected people suck up to them.