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This is horrible and obnoxious tree trimming. Bad for the trees, bad for urban tree canopy, bad for urban heat management, bad for carbon sequestration, and done as an insult to labor.
The city should fine the fuck out of NBCUniversal for the full cost of replacing those trees. Those are not healthy trees.
They did issue a fine of a whopping $250.
Its amazing how fines for businesses are still at 1950s levels but individual (none rich folk) fines have kept up with inflation since the 80s.
It’s almost like corporations and the wealthy have outsized control over politics.
Fines are literally only for poor people. They’ve done studies on it. Shit is crazy.
Yep, for the wealthy it’s just the cost of doing business.
To be honest I thought tree law was going to be more punitive
I asked our AI overlords for an appropriate punishment:
The company executives have to spend the weekend acting as city gardeners, complete with typical gardening attire, tending to the local parks and trees - ensuring the community that they’re committed to their “root-level” duties.
Every day that we live with AI the more I realize they should be replacing our politicians and executives of major corporations.
I dont care if I have to bow to R2D2 one day, that sounds better than the dystopian hell hole we have now.
Jesus. That doesn’t even cover one tree, not to mention labor. Even if they were fined per tree.
Where as I don’t disagree with the timing being retaliatory, my parents have similar trees and my father had me do that just before he passed away. I was convinced I was killing the trees and turns out their canopy is larger than ever now, so it might not be terrible for trees, but still timing is bullshit.
I’m not an arborist and we don’t have those type of tree where I live, but I have worked in landscaping before. My understanding any substantial trimming like that I’ve done in the past should never be done in the hottest part of the year because the tree will have trouble retaining water.
That’s the main thing. Pollard your trees when they’re in winter dormancy, not mid summer while they’re actually using leaves to respirate
This looks more like tipping than pollarding to me. If it’s supposed to be pollarding whoever’s doing it is shit at it. Tipping is harmful to trees, and based on the photos of the tree prior to it being cut it looks like it may have been tipped once in the year already (likely why they weren’t issued a permit by the city and cut it illegally).
Oh yeah, these are obdurate plant butchers in action. This is inexcusable
bad for carbon sequestration,
The trim is negligible when you are talking about carbon sequestration in the scheme of things too. I’m not sure how the other points stand up either - but the timing would suggest it is an insult to the labour.
nods Fair enough.
Theres not even any power lines overthem so theres really no reason to trim them
The Washington Post talked to the studio and the city this week and established some important key points.
NBCUniversal acknowledged they trimmed the trees, but they claim they trim these trees annually and it just happened to coincide with the strike:
A spokesperson for NBCUniversal confirmed to The Post that the company had pruned the trees. Universal’s confirmation was first reported by Deadline.
“We understand that the safety tree trimming of the Ficus trees we did on Barham Blvd. has created unintended challenges for demonstrators,” the spokesperson said in a statement. “That was not our intention.”
NBCUniversal is working to offer picketers shade coverage, pop-up tents and water, according to the spokesperson. The company has maintained the trees for years and prunes them annually in partnership with arborists for safety ahead of the “high-wind season,” the spokesperson said.
The city confirmed the trees are supposed to be managed by the city, the studio did not have a permit to trim them for the city, and that no permits had been issued to trim those trees in the last three years:
L.A. City Controller Kenneth Mejia said in a tweet Tuesday evening that his office is investigating the trimmings. The pruned trees are managed by the city, though businesses can obtain permits to trim trees from the city’s Bureau of Street Services, Mejia said. He added that they should be trimmed every five years.
On Wednesday morning, Mejia said the city had not issued permits for the ficus trees to be trimmed and had not issued any tree trimming permits for the location over the last three years.
The NBCUniversal spokesperson declined to comment on the controller’s statement.
So… one of them is lying.
Gosh, I wonder which one it could be…
I mean you can tell by looking at the growth habit that the trees are trimmed every year.
Honestly they both could be lying too. People in power will harness situations for PR. It’s pretty frequently how they got into power in the first place.
They were fined… $250.
That’ll show em! 😔
Oh wow!! I thought tree law was tougher than that.
It’s nothing like bird law
Those particular trees are trimmed yearly, but NEVER in the heart of summer. It can fuck up the trees. However, they deemed the trees “salvageable” which I mean, I guess…
Wow… ruining city trees. To break strike. If this isn’t just proof how Evil these corpo’s are. But they don’t care, they got theirs.
I hope they find which company did it and fine them into the ground, and then who gave them the work order and jail that bastard.
Not only do they not care, but they’re counting on the fact that you won’t care enough to boycott them.
Yes clearly a normal trim. I also butcher my trees annually. Fucking corpo dicks. /s
The sad thing is how many Americans are brainwashed into immediately siding with corporations and demonizing the workers in any labor dispute. Fucking gross.
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I laughed at the thought that you were being sarcastic about spending time with family
You know, I saw the story about the actors strike the day after it started on the NBC national news. It was about two minutes of the resporter telling the audience which shows they were going to be missing out on, like the next season of The Handmaid’s Tale. It was so fucking blatantly one sided, to the point of just lying by omission. I’m not even sure they mentioned the AI issue. Of course no rational person should trust a TV network to give them unbiased, rational reporting about a fucking actors strike, but that’s exactly where the average person is going to learn about it. And that’s all that will come to mind - “oh no, my shows might take longer to come out.”
I didn’t really care about it at first. My thought was, hollywood’s writing has been such complete utter dogshit lately, I literally can’t remember the last time I walked out of a movie blown away by something new. (Dune was exceptional, Maverick was good, but those are books and sequels so not OC. Can’t think of much else…)
Then I learned about fan baiting and how hollywood is actually purposefully trashing beloved franchises just to piss off fans, save money on writing, and essentially prep us for their transition to full AI writing and soon acting. For the last decade I’ve been mistaking their dogshit for out of touch but well intentioned corporate bufoonery. Now I realize it’s just part of their large scale evil plan to stay profitable in a world where hollywood and big budget productions are becoming obsolete and irrelevant.
So I’m on the writers side, but good luck to them, I don’t think they’re going to win this one.
It was about two minutes of the resporter telling the audience which shows they were going to be missing out on, like the next season of The Handmaid’s Tale.
I wonder if there’s any footage of that. That sounds fucking wild.
Taking away a tree’s photosynthesis organs in the middle of summer when they’re supposed to be storing nutrients for winter is also really good for the tree I’m sure.
How much you want to bet they took those cuttings and threw them in the landfill?
The sad thing is how many Americans are brainwashed into immediately siding with corporations and demonizing the workers
i.e., chronically clueless about who’s actually dividing and conquering them.
Yeah. There was a guy I used to work with who would always complain if we heard workers were striking. “Why are they complaining about the conditions? If they didn’t want to work there they shouldn’t have taken the job.”
One of the more braindead takes I’ve ever heard on the topic.
Yup. It is LONG past time we got over our child-like worship of billionaires.
It’s time to slay the dragon. The gold-hoarding, tyrannous beast.
Middle of summer. Exactly when every arborist recommends pruning. It prevents the tree from binging on sunlight. /s
Universal was hit with a whopping $250 fine
Damn. Their $1.3 billion in profits was already stretched thin with these writers’ demands. How will they afford this too? One of the execs might need to take out a second mortgage on his thirteenth mansion just to make ends meet.
Looks like it hasn’t been pruned like that before going back to 2007.
3800 Barham Blvd
Idk if there’s any connection, but it is weird that the last writer’s strike was in late 2007.
That’s so aweful. It’s like treathening someone by hurting another stranger.
I can live without any new Universal Studios movies.
I have friend who will acquire their goods on the high seas. Yearrrrrgh!
I have some reservations about pirating movies because of the impact it can have on people who work on the movies.
I would give absolutely zero fucks about pirating AI generated content, no matter how many “prompt engineers” or whatever they had working on it.
Just send everyone in the credits a dollar. Its way more than they would make from your purchase royalties.
It’s not just royalties, it’s the success of the industry in general. If those evil studios go out of business, it will eliminate a lot of jobs, if a movie flops, there’s no sequel, etc. The fact that the creatives make much less than the suits is lame, but it doesn’t change that basic framework.
But if the studios are already eliminating those jobs, then them going under is only a problem for shareholders.
Could someone explain this to me? Why would this harm the strikers?
No shade
Thanks! I don’t live somewhere with such a hot climate
Don’t worry, I had the same. Itl come soon enough for all.
Wouldnt want people to have any protection from the sun when its hot out
It’s a good strategy and works indoors too. For example, I know a bunch of financial auditors who basically go into businesses and annoy the shit out of them for a few weeks making sure there’s no fraud going on. They say it’s extremely common for them to get stuck in uncomfortable spare offices, it’ll be small and cramped, too hot or too cold, they work late into nights and weekends and the client will intentionally make sure ac isn’t on late, things like that. Also works at home for getting rid of company that overstayed their welcome.
Taking away the shade the tree leaves would’ve provided.
Go out and give the protestors some big ol’ tent things.
Fucking assholes. Time to buy some E-Z Ups and line the sidewalk with them
Toilet paper those mfers.
People are acting like AI generated content is something new, but it’s been going on for years.
Fuck them.
I wish I could say I can fight them with my wallet but I haven’t paid for a service or movie except the very rare and occasional trip to the movies, in over 10 years. They still make tons of money despite putting out bad products. We get maybe 1 or 2, maybe 3 good movies or shows a year if that. The rest is crap. Lets be honest. Hollywood has been barfing up old ideas and re-making them more than coming up with new stuff for a long time now. People still pay the prices and go to the movies. Our standards have fallen very low but we are all willing to pay even more for it.
How many people went to see Barbie or Oppenheimer this week? All those people just spit in the face of everyone on strike.
And the actors who get paid way more than they deserve or need to. They demand it. They ensure the movie is going to cost millions of dollars, right off the bat. Before even thinking about the budget for the rest of the film.
And then you throw AI and the real legitimate concerns on how the industry is changing because of it. But then again, who’s industry isn’t changing because of it. I think many of us are learning that we all are going to have to adapt and use the new technology to survive or get left behind. Especially in the entertainment industry.
I am not complaining that they are striking or that they don’t deserve to get paid what the need or that their concerns are not legitimate. I support them 100%. But there are a lot of moving parts, public opinion etc.
With the quality of the entertainment produced in recent years being so bad, many people have lost sympathy. Most people are don’t care if AI creates some stupid show they watch, as long as it produces something better than what Hollywood has been putting out. What people have been complaining about for years and ignored.
Executives don’t care. They just see dollar signs. They have always taken what was there and tried to squeeze as much money out of as they could. They aren’t in it for the art. If they can get away with screwing people over, they are going to do it. They have ALWAYS done it.
You know you have to trim boulevard trees so they don’t grow too high to stop providing shade? Happens the world over
Well if this is actually recent, then it is definitely intentional. Trees are usually trimmed in early spring, cutting them back that much in the middle of summer puts a lot of stress on the trees and risks killing them.
(if memory serves) According to a podcast I listened to yesterday, they don’t own the trees. They’re public property trees. Trimming was not scheduled.
Yep. I heard they’re actually being fined, sadly only for $250 because old city laws limit how much they can be fined.
If any of these trees dies, I hope Universal is on the hook for replacing it.
I hope Universal is on the hook for replacing it.
Considering the first fine, I fully expect the second one to be a grand total of tree fiddy
fiddy trees would be better =/
I literally laughed at the joke. Both funny and sad…
Yeah I saw this and while I’m not a tree management expert I’m like “they basically left no leaves on these poor things”. With the insane heat we’ve been seeing, this can’t be good.
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Even if we ignore how awful of a trim job this is and the lack of permits, it would be done in the Winter for the safety of the tree.
They just happened to schedule the trimming during protests, couldn’t do it next week, or the week after?
Wasn’t done by the city. Universal is getting fined for this.
Yeah like 2 dollars fine
Well, $250, but yeah. The law wasn’t prepared for people being this obnoxious.
You know the city does that, right? The city did not give NBC Universal permission to trim these trees. NBC Universal did it anyway and lied about doing it themselves every year. They very clearly should not be responsible for doing it since you do not do this in the middle of summer.
This is not pollarding, but it looks superficially similar.
Hey don’t choke on that
Go back to reddit
I’m sorry that a lot of people are wrong and down voting you.
The person you’re replying to is wrong. The city hasn’t given a permit to trim the trees for the past 3 years, and the way it was cut is harmful to the tree (25% of canopy is the maximum that should be removed at any time).
I’m sorry. I didn’t know you were a licensed tree surgeon. So, how many years experience do you have?
Is this supposed to distract from the fact the company broke the law to try to break a strike and likely harmed the long term health of the cut trees? Is there some reason you don’t want us to stay on that topic?
What law?
Those trees will leaf back out and be completely fine.
My point is y’all don’t know shit about trees and have knee jerk reactions which make the movement look bad.
You all are “derkaderka dey cut da trees!” like it’s the end of the world, and it’s literally fucking nothing. And y’all over here, which thankfully no one knows about, playing arm chair tree surgeon/botanist/biologist claiming the sky is falling.
Calm the fuck down.
The trees are city property. You can’t just cut city trees because you feel like it. The city has already fined them and the penalties will only increase if the trees don’t recover.
If you know something the Forestry Service doesn’t you should get in touch with them. They outline pretty clearly that what is pictured is bad for the trees, and it’s a bad time of year to do it because it makes the trees more susceptible to disease. This isn’t an opinion, it’s in the government handbook.
Go have whatever argument you’re dying to have with someone else.
And are you an arborist?
Yes
Cap. Anyone who does any landscaping would know this. In 100+ degree weather, you don’t trim trees back if they are healthy. This is a clown take.
