I moved from Lemmy.ml because I liked the name of Lemmy.world and it ran a newer Lemmy version which meant I could make communities. I moved from Lemmy.world because they defederated from piracy communities they didn’t even host (but for some reason still kept the small piracy community they DID host) From thelemmy.club because I couldn’t see the Hackintosh community from there (probably defederated) Now I spent some time looking on join-lemmy.org and checked out some instances and this (lemy.lol) instance seemed good, so I chose that.
Honest question… What’s the difference? I just signed up with .world without really doing much looking around first…
Some instances are running on better servers than others, have staff that fix issues quicker and attend to updates sooner.
For example, .world is still on v18 while the rest of the threadiverse has mostly moved on to v19.
Some instances defederate certain other instances, so in some cases you might end up finding that a community you subbed to gets disappeared by the admins of your instance (lemmy.ml did this to ani.social a while back). Whether there are valid reasons goes case by case, sopuli.xyz for example blocks instances that are for porn, and I like it that way.
Though outward federation is a bit borked on there atm, so I’m using my alts…
But really, it doesn’t matter that much. If the grass looks greener, you can hop over the fence and see for yourself, and then hop right back if it turns out it wasn’t.
While I’m not on world, I also hold off on upgrades. Lemmy is still Alpha, after all.
I only moved from World because I wanted a smaller instance (and maybe because of stability). And from thelemmy.club because it blocked the Hackintosh community. And from lemmy.ml, which was my first one I moved because I heard the alligations that the admin was pro-chinese government.
“Allegations”. Nice.
Moderation and politics. Many in Lemmy don’t like ML’s stance on issues, including banning and moderating dissenting opinions. World won’t defederate from Threads. Etc. Despite no major user difference, Lemmy is a much more “active” vs passive community in reinforcing their beliefs in what’s right. It’s why many migrated here to begin with.
Threads?
Meta’s/Zuckerberg’s microblogging service, also runs on Activity Pub (the protocol that allows instances of any given service to communicate with each other, basically the backbone protocol of the Fediverse).
Many Fediverse instances decided to defederate Threads because of who’s behind it and because they’re afraid Meta’s ging to do to AP what Google did to XMPP.To add: and because they don’t want the content they create to become a money maker for a company that allows abusive organizations to stay online.
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laughs in solarpunk
We are fucking tiny, and everyone as far as I know is federated with us because they can’t be bothered. Our server is run well, though we do get a bit of unscheduled downtime (though the biggest one was due to a fucking hurricane)
slrpnk.net 🤝 pawb.social
federated via apathy
Everyone forgets about pawb.social too. Even furries seem to forget it exists lol.
Furries unite!
(we’re not as ignored as yiffit.net though)
I see both of these on all constantly.
Similar boat, private instances ftw
Represent
My brother
Ayyyyooo slrpnk 4 lyfe
i fucking love decentralized services
Can someone explain like im twelve please.
.ml works great for me. What problems did you have with it?
Mostly the people running and modding it are insane.
Thank God I don’t give a fuck about Lemmy dramas. If it works and I like the content, I’ll stay.
The problem starts when your comments silently get removed and you end up getting banned under vague “rule 1” because a mod disagrees with your view. The narrative of communities are defined by the mods even though the community is just a generic one.
Which is fine for you, but other people might not like existing on an instance entirely devoted to bootlicking and silencing any differing opinions (that are even left of mainstream… but not left enough).
People joining .ml should know what they’re getting.
Oh you mean the communism?
I am communist
I can understand that someone might think communism is a better solution and worth a shot - but what I can’t understand is the China/Russia apologia. Trying to convince people what is plainly happening isn’t is a form of mental illness.
I’ve created my account at .world, anything I missed? Seems to work fine for me
They started defederating with piracy and trans instances and kept pushing a Discord server so I took off.
Oh and also Beehaw defederated with lemmy.world, and I wanted to see that content.
Second edit because I was reminded lemmy.world is still planning to federate with Threads, which I also wasn’t okay with.
What trans instances have they defederated?
Now that I look, I think it was really just hexbear.net, which I didn’t agree with so I moved to another instance that didn’t have them blocked
Calling hexbear a “trans instance” is pretty misleading. They’re explicitly political first and foremost, and happen to have a high concentration of trans/queer users. They were defederated by .world for being overbearing and disruptive, not because of their transness or queerness. Blahaj zone, by comparison, is explicitly a trans instance first and foremost, and is still federated by .world.
I had to leave lemm.ee because they didn’t defederate from hexbear, any even slightly political post got spammed with 300 giant shock images, plus they suffer from the nazi bar syndrome but with tankies instead of nazis
I’m not really here to argue whether or not the defederation of dbzer0, hexbear, or lemmy grad was appropriate by world or the defederation of world by beehaw. I just wanted to have the option of seeing content from all those instances and I’m clearly not the only one.
This is the great thing about federation though right? You can just sign up to another instance and see their content. Personally I think it’s nice that there’s a large instance that’s free of them, sometimes it’s exhausting going through their annoying comments.
I assume when everyone talks about hexbear being annoying, they refer to the comment images or whatever, but I’ve been using Voyager (previously wefwef) this whole time and it’s always had those as a link by default so they don’t clutter up the comments for me.
Hexbear was defederated from world for the same reason they defederated from lemmygrad; the admins of world are anticommunists. You can make a very easy argument for banning hexbear for their toxic users, but the same can’t be said for lemmygrad who are way chiller.
I seem to remember that given as the official reason, and there were certainly plenty of complaints along those lines. Whether that was a convenient excuse for anti-communist schemes or the actual reason I don’t know. Most likely it was some of both, at least in the case of hexbear.
So this would mean I wouldn’t see some piracy related content? Because I’m subscribed to some piracy communities and I think I can see the content.
I’m not really up to date with how the links between the different Lemmy instances work
You can check what a particular instance is federating and blocking at any time by visiting the instance page. Here is the one for lemmy.world https://lemmy.world/instances
Notably, it looks like they are federating with dbzer0 again.
Thanks for the information. This is putting me off on Lemmy a bit, feels like I got to keep up with the latest instance drama to ensure I have a good experience.
Guess that’s the trade of with a decentralized system for now.
You can always look into hosting your own personal instance, then you choose the communities you see content from
Same, I use World and in the Boost app I just select all or subscribed instead of local and I definitely still see the piracy community that I’m subscribed to 🤷♂️
I’ve seen quite a bit of both on here so I’m not sure what your talking about. IDK admitting about hexbear.
The first one was one of my problems. I should add the info to my post.
Whats wrong with federating with threads tho?
I had one of my posts on AskLemmy deleted for being “offensive”. It was asking a silly question “Are Brits the Americans of Europe?”. Some saw the lighthearted side. The professionally offended got it deleted.
Over-moderation will kill Lemmy instances. One of the reasons Reddit became as big as it did is due to very light-touch moderation verging on “absolute freedom of speech”. It was refreshing and ‘alternative’ compared to the increasing sanitisation of the Internet.
Unfortunately Reddit-rotted Zoomers have jumped from the heavy-handed Reddit modding to Lemmy and will quickly fuck up any attempt to grow the platform. Because they don’t remember/know how early Reddit worked.
They’re trying to moderate Lemmy like it’s a billion-user platform when it’s a few hundred thousand.
Every platform should have some mechanism to remove troublesome moderators.
The whole point of the Reddit-style was that subreddits could be controlled by moderators and prevented from slipping into the same old tired town square-esque mess that arrives with popularity. I guarantee a mechanism to remove moderators would result in niche communities that get a surge in popularity winding up with the original moderators ousted because all the newcomers don’t understand the community.
If you don’t like how a community is run, you can start your own for completely free. That’s how this works, you shouldn’t be able to commandeer a community from the people who started it. If there’s a truly problematic moderator, the new community will grow quickly.
The issue is that a community on any platform is made by the average users, not the moderators. If you splinter a community into three competing communities, you will probably severely damage its integrity as a whole. It’s similar to the issue that some Discord servers have, where they tell people to take discussion from the main channel into different channels. More often than not, this kills the discussion because few people actually move to a different channel, with most opting to drop the discussion entirely.
A few people shouldn’t have complete ownership over something that exists because the people under them make it so.
At the end of the day, it is the moderators who maintain and control the community. They control what users even see, so it’s not fair to say a community is made by the average user, the average user is completely silent. I would rather competing communities over every community being at the whim of the masses. The masses are easy to misguide.
Yup. The platform should feel alive.
I remember on Reddit when people were trying the limits and quirks of the algorithm, and you would wake up one day and your feed was filled with something totally unrelated. A few hours later and it went back to normal.
Moderation desperately needs openness it is way too easy to get perm banned because you pissed one person off. No notification of what you did wrong, no explanation of what you did wrong, no chance at appeal, and to add insult to injury it permanently unsubscribes you.
Over-moderation will kill Lemmy instances. One of the reasons Reddit became as big as it did is due to very light-touch moderation verging on “absolute freedom of speech”. It was refreshing and ‘alternative’ compared to the increasing sanitisation of the Internet.
That’s the sub not the website, over moderation is a feature of some subs, just like lemmy instances. Just like reddit, if you don’t like it create your own, unlike reddit you can set an overall tone to your instance.
I say some spicy stuff now and then. Some gets hammered some not.
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what’s this supposed to mean? i’ve never had an issue with .ml
ML was the first instance, they created an account there first and jumped from instance to instance until they ended up where they are, leaving the original instance completely neglected. It’s quite a literal interpretation of the meme format, which you don’t often see.
oh damn, you’re right! totally makes sense now
I understand the issue of “it’s a Fediverse only if the network is diversified.” And “it’s difficult for new users to understand.” But if we also go down the path of making the system like a standard centralized network we defeat the purpose of the Fediverse.
Our issue isn’t a “we need to copycat our predecessors” it’s a “we need to explain how we work in a simple enough way no one could possibly misunderstand.”
I’ve tried various methods of explaining it, and I think the issue is half bad explanations and half a lack of interest.
We need to also start pressing our strengths. The Fediverse, as it’s nature of an AGPLv3 project, is ad free. We also don’t have the weight of megacorps deciding what is allowed to be shared because of said ad revenue.
Avoid talking about the technology. Boast our numbers, we’re 2 million strong on Lemmy and 14 million Fediverse wide. Avoid confusion, offer help, and press our advantages.
What about
Its like email but for social media because everyone can make an account on different instances and still talktoveachother
Its free and without ads or a premium subscription
Its run by users, big corporation’s wont decide whqt makes them most money, users will decide
I think I get how it’s supposed to work but I feel like there’s not much content on here or my instance maybe hides stuff from my feed. I also think the search function for new communities needs improvement.
Meh, just need to find an instance that seems friendly and stable enough then try to keep it afloat.
I think I’ll stay here if there are no problems. That’s why I used the word “might”
Hexbear in the corner
You seem like you enjoy having fun. I like that.
What the hell is happening
join us
Hexbear will always stay winning it’s impossible for anyone to stop us
Hexbear always has the funniest takes, I give them that
I’m still on lemmy.ml instance since my first day here! And this is the only account I have.
We don’t know what is going to happen tomorrow… But, at least for awhile, I have no regrets at all!
Same, I signed up to Lemmy.world and have been on here for probably a good 4-5 months. If you browse the federated network instead of just your local server it doesn’t matter what server you use AFAIK.
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I highly doubt that most people use that term to refer to female dogs.
Shut up, female dog!
What the hell is your deal?
“If you don’t like how we do it, go make your own” is the biggest cop out.
I don’t get it ._. Why move?
(Cries in feddit.uk)
What we really need is an app with an ordered account list that allows you to view all the content from those accounts and when responding/contributing uses that order and picks the top one that is able to.
