(The “Windows” slices of the pies are entirely made up by Baldur’s Gate 3, which also runs well over Linux)
The issue has never been that games can’t run on Linux. It has always been a simple question of “will the games I want to play run?” More than ever, that answer is yes, but if your favorite game doesn’t, or if you never want to worry about “will this upcoming (online) game let me play on Linux?” then you use Windows by default.
Like, I love y’all, but the Linux gaming community on Lemmy is kinda insufferable with the straw-man “people think games can’t run on Linux” argument. That’s just not the issue
This has been my concern too. It’s great that we’re seeing some specific cases where Linux benchmarks faster than Windows, but that doesn’t mean a damn thing if the one thing I’m trying to play just full on won’t work.
Telling me that I can just also run Windows is counterproductive. If Windows will do everything I want, and Linux will do only some of what I want, now you’re trying to sell me on increased complexity and difficulties and learning a whole new system, without actually getting rid of the problems that come with running Windows in the first place.
way back the issue most certainly was that though. There was a time when trying to run games with wine was a frustrating exercise that only resulted in a success in small minority of cases… which meant the answer was almost certainly negative when accounting for the additional restriction of trying to run the games you actually wished to be playing. Not everyone may remember this of course.
Exactly. If even one of my games doesn’t run, it’s already a pain in the ass. Might as well stay on windows so I don’t have to deal with the headache. They all run on windows. I’ll switch when they all run on Linux.
well, thanks to Gaben, new games working fine
Oh yeah? Name 5.
Name 6 more.
“Linux is great for gaming. You only need to follow these 25 kernel configuration steps to combine three 3rd party applications and it runs just fine!”
Yeah it’s not like that anymore.
Step 1: Install Steam Step 2: Download games Step 3: Play games
Jam Mint or Pop OS on there and you will never in your life have to worry about a kernel to game. Not even once.
The issue is they want to run rootkits and malware instead of games.
Not sorry. Siege, Fortnite, Valorant, all of these games require kernel level access to Windows to run, and the publishers refuse to support Windows.
The only reason I’d ever play games like this in the past is due to peer pressure from friends to play these shitty games together with a bunch of sweats, cheaters and an overall generally toxic community. Especially Siege.
Social peer pressure goes both ways. And I’ve basically peaced out on any of these games in my friends group. That was enough to end that game for game nights, and as those games fade from our memory. I make sure what little memory of it remains is the true tainted and awful form from which they originated.
If you need a kernel level anti-cheat for your game, and nothing else will protect it. Your game is shit, your development cycle is shit, your company is shit, your community is shit, and why would I ever want to play a shit game with shit people from a shit company that forces devs to work under a shit development cycle?
That is not, in fact, the issue. I don’t play any of those games and still can’t play all my games on Linux. I don’t allow kernel level anticheats on my system.
Fortnite uses EAC that already run on Linux.
You’re actually the worst. I’m glad you don’t play my games.
If only one could have two OS on one machine and somehow boot into the one you want to play a game on.
All the inconvenience of Linux with all the inconvenience of Windows. You might as well throw MacOS on there, too.
It’s so weird, usually it’s Mac users saying that to me.
It’s a hassle, most people are one size fits all
That’s great until you decide you want to play more than one game and have to restart your computer 5+ times per day. Then you’ve somehow made the experience exponentially worse than staying on either one
Do something more with one’s life than play that many games.
I do
It also requires windows only applications. So the problem still stands. Switching between the two OS’s is a terrible experience.
Mine is not an argument asserting that people think games can’t run on Linux, mine is a mockery of the people who do so (I know several).
I find you insufferable too, don’t worry
You are mocking a straw-man. These people you refer to number in the dozens
I must’ve gotten lucky with my quarter of a dozen friends who do that…
Or they were making excuses
I’ve been 100% Linux for over a year now. If it doesn’t run, I don’t buy it.
That’s the attitude that we all need to have. Same here, if anything doesn’t work on Linux, I ain’t buying it.
I even got a refund from steam when rocket league lost Linux support when that one company bought it
Nice. You can run rocket league on heroic launcher btw. I have it through the epic store. Works flawlessly
Yes, it was more the principle than anything. I was terrible at that game and barely played it
Right there with ya. My 10 year old smokes me all the time in that game 😂
Same, I play it that way on the steamdeck
Same been Linux only for several years now. If it won’t run I won’t buy it.
That’s how I’ve been for a few years now. Windows has serious bugs that I encounter all the time that I never encounter with Linux.
Just this week alone… screenshots stopped working, usb microphones were stuck on mute, and the taskbar crashed preventing me from using any touchpad gestures or even accessing the start menu to restart.
The task bar was fixed with a restart but the other two issues required a reinstall of the os. I troubleshot those for like an hour without any solution.
Windows is not ready for the desktop.
Haha that’s pretty funny. And I whole heartedly agree.
I know! I have to use windows at work (IT Admin) and using powershell always makes me wish the software we need ran on Linux. Just today I needed to extract a partition image with dism and it just did nothing for half an hour before the progress bar even came up. People say that Linux is buggy but gnome gives me way less headaches than windows 11.
Windows unfairly gets the reputation of being more reliable than linux. I’m just waiting for my work to make one app available on Linux and then I’m switching.
Is this Lemmy’s version of Reddit’s “pc vs console” I’ve been seeing this a lot lately. Why are you all so obsessed with who plays on what and what their opinions are?
Because more people playing on Linux means more games get published for Linux, which is an outcome we want.
Gonna have to get in line behind consoles first. PC gamers have been around for years, still at the bottom of the list when games get published. So…what’s the point in saying “play on Linux because games also work here” when publishers don’t care?
I decline the premise of the question. No one in the thread leading to your comment said anything remotely similar to “play on Linux because games also work here”.
It’s like when you discuss music with a metalhead, it’s not that you just don’t feel anything when you listen to metal, and you don’t consider complex polyrhythms to just be objectively “better” because they’re harder to play. It’s that your music sucks ass and if it’s not the right kind of metal it also sucks ass.
Linux can play most games, but if you like playing games that Linux doesn’t play then those games suck and you shouldn’t want to play them. That’s their perspective.
Why do you want to play Fortnite or CoD warzone? Don’t you know kernel level anticheat is a rOoTkiT?!? (As if they could even define such a thing without resorting to just pointing at shit they don’t like and twisting the definition like a Baptist preacher trying to create theology.)
You can’t win with these types of people, Linux can play games! And if it can’t it’s YOUR FAULT FOR NOT EXCLUSIVELY PLAYING GAMES THAT LINUX CAN PLAY.
I love Linux but it really does need more VR support.
And racing sims. I was talking to someone on Bluesky and they said the lack of racing sim gear support is holding them back.
That’s the case for me, too.
Yup. I guess the gist of it is, Linux is great for just general gaming, but if you’ve got something specific, it’s just not there yet. (I see a bit about VR too)
I just make do with running both. Of course would prefer to have everything on Linux, though.
+1 on sims, with so many different peripherals as well as third party software like simhub, even if a base game works on Linux, it effectively doesn’t since there is so much integration needed
Hum 🤔
It’s also heavily skewed in my case due to online hours being the only hours counted, while I use my steamdeck away from internet most of the time.
There are still a lot of proton games where I encounter the weirdest bugs and when I report those the game devs don’t do anything about it and say it’s a proton/linux issue what they don’t support. For some games, especially VR, windows is mandatory.
You should report the bugs to the proton devs, not the game dev.
if you are having weird bugs when playing via Proton, report the issue on the Proton GitHub page. If it’s a graphical glitch you can also report it to proton-vkd3d or DXVK depending on which one is being used by the game. If unsure just report it only to Proton.
The Proton developers and the developers of associated projects (DXVK, vkd3d, etc) will often add workarounds into the various parts of the Proton platform to get a game to work correctly, even if the problem you are seeing is a game bug or driver bug.
I’m at 50 / 50. Went 100% Linux 6 months ago and never looked back. Didn’t even bother with dual booting, it’s all in or nothing.
One of us! One of us!
Windows is an abomination.
I won’t claim that it’s all flawless, because it really isn’t sometimes, but a lot of things just work. Both new games, and old ones, that don’t even work on windows to begin with.
My biggest two showstoppers are games like Destiny, and VR titles, that unfortunately are completely unplayable because I own a Rift S.
I still play practically everything else on Linux, and don’t see any reason to not to. I already do everything else on this os, so why would I switch
There’s a bunch of other things, like HDR; I don’t have a HDR monitor so I can’t say what people are missing, but I tried to mess with it in my pet-project game engine and
vkSetHdrMetadataEXTjust does not exist at all, and I don’t know what library or Vulkan layer could provide it.It matches with what I’ve heard around, although apparently KDE supports it now?
KDE support requires plasma 6 which is in alpha.
I’m playing Cyberpunk2077 with HDR on my Steamdeck so support is there.
Linux Gamers - “Sure am stoked that gaming on Linux has gotten so good, finally don’t feel like I need to keep Windows”
Randos - “Wow, such copium! It didnt work for my specific use case! Linux users are so obnoxious!”
If your quote was the title of this post then the “randos” wouldn’t show up. But it’s not. 🤷
Idk man, I get how you could read the title as confrontational, but every pro Linux post has these “randos”. Haters gonna hate. 🤷♂️
100% penguin
I didn’t get the “You played on more than 1 device”. Guess it has been 100% Linux
Note did I, so I assumed that was the case as well. I only have my Linux desktop with Steam.
I kind of dig Linux Os, I find Linux users insufferable.
As a fellow Linux user I entirely agree. I stay off the forums as much as possible. My latest crime was uploading a tutorial on how to update the bios on certain laptop models. Got fucking roasted, even on lemmy.
For some reason Linux forums are like stack exchange; an extremely toxic neckbeard pissing match.
Oh shit, that sounds extremely helpful, why did they roast you?
I’ve been using Linux since Ubuntu 8.10 iirc, and I’m still a fucking moron at dealing with Linux so I’m always thankful for people like you.
I might have been very lucky. I’ve barely seen anything negative than when people post factually incorrect or potentially dangerous/bricking stuff.
Though, I do keep a healthy distance from the Ubuntu and Arch forums.
Just Linux for me…I haven’t used windows since windows 7. I’m probably going to sell my steam deck though because it mostly just sits in the case on top of my computer (where I usually play since my computer is plugged into my 50 inch bedroom TV. But the stream deck is nice and fun to play with.
Funny, I’ve actually never played BG3 on Windows. It’s always been Proton. It works flawlessly.
What cope. I still run into countless compatibility issues which bars Linux from daily use for me. Stop trying to downplay proton compatibility, it just makes your arguments appear disingenuous.
I would fully switch over to Linux in a heartbeat if there was no compatibility problems.
Even if it had full comparability, you won’t have switched to linux. You don’t need reasons to do it, except your own wish
Which games? I don’t think I’ve ever encountered a game that didn’t run with Proton out of the box.
Some game updates just break proton compatibility.
first, file a report. so devs are aware of your problem.
second, i feel you. i’m in the same situation. if i switch to linux right now, my stream deck will lose features and i probably on’t be able to use my steering wheel anymore. plus i really struggled to install fusion360.
