This is a very good thing. Thank you EU for forcing us dirty heathens in NA to have consumer protections.
Once again, the EU drags the rest of us into modernity kicking and screaming.
Alexander Anderson would like a word, heathen
I hate the term consumer the only I consume is food . How about buyer or customer just anything but consumer
Consuming does not mean eating. Either you produce, sell or consume a product.
Tough. It is appropriate description for what you are doing. Every tangible thing you buy at some point gets discarded one way or another. You’ve consumed the energy and materials needed to make whatever it is.
You consume and discard many things throughout your life. The fact that you consume so much should make you uncomfortable. I agree with using customer instead of consumer, but only because I want to get away from the idea that your only purpose in life is to consume things. I hate that being a “consumer” is normalized. Consumptive culture is both terrible for the environment and for the health of society.
Steam deck done. https://www.ifixit.com/Device/Steam_Deck
Isn’t the main issue whether or not there’s an ease to replace? There’s like 20 steps and a bunch of easily breakable cables involved with replacing it currently.
I mean I think you can replace the Switch’s battery too by that standard.
Same site even says it’s only 1 extra step in total, though instead of the cables being in the way, it sounds like the shields a bit more difficult.
But like either of these replacements would require a technical user to do it.
it should be done by 2027 at the latest it sounds like.
‘ease to replace’ to whom?
seems like an impossible to define standard, but I’d be interested to hear what the requirements are
if they supply the necessary tools and steps/videos, is that enough?
Says 2-4 hours and “difficult” on the battery replacement page
And requires heating + prying.
If this is considered replaceable, I wonder what an non-replaceable battery would be. Soldered to the main board and trying to unsolder it causes a failsafe to short the CPU?
its an easy fix. replace the adhesive with stretch release battery adhesive.
Nah. The battery on my old Samsung Galaxy S4 literally just pops out with minor force applied as soon as the cover is off, leaving the phone ready for a new one to be slotted in. That is what “user replaceable” means.
Don’t get me wrong, I am familiar with electronics, have a diploma in electrical engineering, have soldered hundreds/thousands of components, etc. and I could do this easily (though I have concerns about heating the battery). But most people cannot currently replace the battery without significant headaches.
Steam deck done.
Not really. Look up the Linus Tech Tips teardown. The battery is glued in super hard. Linus said he spoke to Valve about that and according to him Valve said they’re looking into making it easier to replace at a later date. Since then I’ve not seen any reports about a change.
Heat gun on the battery, that sounds fun
Your right. It’s not the best but till allows you to replace it. Unlike iPhone and Android since they are much harder to replace.
Some Android phones are decent, like the Fairphone. But most are a giant pain.
i think ‘user replaceable’ should involve no tools, and a minimum of time. if step one involves removing eight tiny screws, and it only gets more cumbersome from there, i don’t think it counts.
The currebt rule says “No propritary tools” which seems reasonable when you add in that glueing in is considered “non-replacable” too. The GBA SP needed a single screw to hold in it’s battery and nothing else. Plus with proper threading, screws last much longer than plastic clips.
Excellent, I like that I can replace batteries easily from my old handhelds, the only issue for that case is finding trusted ones.
It’s a good thing Valve makes the official parts and tutorials available on ifixit for the deck
The battery is still unnecessarily glued in with permanent adhesive that requires a heat gun to melt it though.
I never understand why batteries need to be glued in at all, surely pure friction will keep them in place. If you really need them stuck down use pull tabs.
I think there should be a requirement for easily expandable storage as well.
Switch and Steam Deck seem to be OK for this, but I’d like to further piss on Apple’s chips.
I think it should be fully replaceable storage, not just expandable because a lot of companies throw out completely fine devices to get rid of sensitive information on the soldered drives
Yeah, in place of the EU I would fuck apple up for their decision on soldered ssd. It’s not only stupid, but just inhuman towards nature.
New switch confirmed before 2027!
Hopefully this doesn’t just manifest itself as simply not selling these devices in the EU. Seems highly unlikely that would be the case, but a possibility I suppose.
I doubt they would do that since the EU is such a big market
The EU market is almost as big as the US market so yeah they’d be giving an awful lot up.
The Steam Deck is nearly there with replaceable batteries. You need to have a bit of experience to do it, but Valve doesn’t impede on you or your warranty when performing your own battery replacement.
Yeah allowing it without voiding the warranty is massively useful, but Valve does not make it easy to replace the battery and would likely be unable to sell it in the EU under the current design (ifixit suggests a 2-4 hour process for an experienced person). I think it’s a huge step up from some manufacturers, but a good number of changes would need to be done to make it actually user replaceable. I’m sure they’ll get there though!
3.5mm jack! Sd cards! IR transmitter!
Steam Deck has 2/3 but an IR blaster would be dope. I wish phones still had them too.
This is a fantastic change, every battery powered device should have self serviceable replaceable parts if it is safe for an untrained individual to do so.
I wish the EU would just stop getting their grubby hands ibto everything they possibly can
Gotta love the reddit-tier “downvote anyone who disagrees” mindset here. It’s like I never even left reddit!
Genuinely curious why you are against pro consumer legislation?
I’m against regulations that get between parties and enforce terms onto voluntary agreement. Why is it the position of government to tell me what products I should and shouldn’t want to buy? If you want shit with removable batteries, cool, go out and make your demands heard. But why should your demands be pushed onto everyone else as “pro-consumer” when it ignores the demands of literally any consumers who have different preferences than you? What about the consumer that doesn’t give a fuck about usb-c or removable batteries? Why should they be made to buy products designed around standards that aren’t important to them?
If you want shit with removable batteries, cool, go out and make your demands heard.
They have. That’s why the regulators are making these laws.
But why should your demands be pushed onto everyone else as “pro-consumer”
It’s pro consumer because it benefits consumers. As of right now, most portable electronics have a built in expiration date. Most people lack the skills to replace a built-in battery and official stores rarely do replacements, so it’s down to a 3rd party shop which is difficult for less knowledgeable consumer to find.
It’s the same reason why we have any regulations against anti-consumer practices. It’s because these practices often rely on deceptive practices and consumers ignorance. In this case, the consumers are not informed that the device they are buying is built to expire after a few years.
I don’t see any argument you could make about usb-c or removable batteries hindering your usage of the device.
Most countries mandate that products come with a warranty. I haven’t heard anyone saying “what if I want to buy a product without a warranty?” Because why would you?
They have. That’s why the regulators are making these laws.
You’re aware that not every personal preference has to be enforced by law, correct? You can express your preferences without calling for any form of government action whatsoever.
It’s pro consumer because it benefits consumers
No, it benefits some consumers. I, for one, very much would not benefit from this. Batteries replaceable to the standard the EU wants absolutely have downsides, primarily concerning space, meaning either larger devices, or smaller batteries, and in some cases, likely both. For example, if you open up a modern iPhone, you’ll find that the battery takes up every nook and cranny it could be fit into. And the phones still maintain a slim design. That shit is basically outright impossible to make under this standard of idiot-serviceability. And because I’m perfectly fine with having to use big scary tools like a soldering iron and heat gun, I have exactly zero problems with buying devices that would require them for service, especially so considering the benefits.
Most people lack the skills to replace a built-in battery and official stores rarely do replacements, so it’s down to a 3rd party shop which is difficult for less knowledgeable consumer to find.
Which doesn’t fucking impact me at all. I’m not a less knowledgeable consumer. So why should I be stuck playing by rules for their benefit?
I don’t see any argument you could make about usb-c or removable batteries hindering your usage of the device
USB c isn’t some pinnacle of design. You seriously find it unthinkable that any cable could ever be superior in any way? And I already covered downsides to the idiot-servicable batteries.
Most countries mandate that products come with a warranty. I haven’t heard anyone saying “what if I want to buy a product without a warranty?” Because why would you?
More examples of regulations isn’t an argument for further regulations because law is not inherently self justifying.
Are you being paid to take every single bad take possible or what?
Lol says the big government simp
Lol says apple simp. See how that’s not actually a counter argument see how you actually have to explain your points in order for them to be valid and see how you failed to do so because every single point you come up with lacks evidence.
You have said that it is impossible to make efficient batteries that a user replaceable, but you have failed to demonstrate why this is the case. Phones have historically had use of replaceable batteries for years it’s been fine. Manufacturers just realized they could force people to buy new phones more easily if they didn’t make the batteries replaceable, it’s got nothing to do with efficiency, and everything to do with anti-consumer capitalism.
Try not talking like this, you’ll have more meaningful interactions in your everyday life which aren’t immediately hostile to everyone actually engaging with you, resulting in mutually beneficial discussions rather than the arguments you’re clearly constantly looking for.
Good god you’ve missed the point haven’t you?
If you want shit with removable batteries, cool, go out and make your demands heard. But why should your demands be pushed onto everyone else
Because companies are not providing products with removable batteries so the consumers refusing to buy products with non-removable batteries doesn’t work because there’s no alternative product to purchase. Manufacturers know they have consumers in monopoly so they have no reason to change.
What about the consumer that doesn’t give a fuck about usb-c or removable batteries?
The USB c-thing is not just about user friendliness it’s also about the environment. Constantly having to throw old charges away because their incompatible with new products produces an enormous amount of e-waste, everyone using the same charger reduces it, which is only a good thing. Also the Apple charger which is what I’m assuming you’re going on about is actually less safe than the usb-c standard. I think we can all agree that manufacturers should use safer options when they become available.
Why should they be made to buy products designed around standards that aren’t important to them?
If a product has a feature you don’t care about, why do you care, just don’t use it and you’re fine.
How dare they make things better for us!
Just because something it better for you, it doesn’t mean it’s better for everyone
Now try that again and explain why it’s not better.
If you’re completely incapable of seeing how different people have different priorities in devices they want, i don’t see any purpose in bothering with you further.
Again, you aren’t specific, you just throw random stuff around.
Don’t bother then, since you haven’t bothered to say why this is bad for consumers/everyone and instead spent the past two posts avoiding it completely.
I’ve provided just as much to this conversation as your meaningless nay-saying has. Enjoy a block, shitcan
Lmao. Are you 12 or something? Dude asked for your reasoning so he could better understand why you don’t want it.
How does replaceable batteries affect your consumption in a negative way? I think we’re all curious on this one.
It only has to be better for most people for this to be a net gain. Nintendo won’t otherwise provide us with a choice of whether or not the battery is replaceable.
This guy’s whole comment history section is about arguing and being a contrarian. I’ve tagged him as such.
I downvoted you because every comment from you makes you more of an ass then the previous. You spouted your nonsense opinion and then refused to even elaborate it - either you are here to troll or you have no arguments. However in the end you are just a rude ass.
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Yes I’d like one complaint, hold any rationale or reasoning. Thank you.
