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    “Today we’re gonna make an entire dream house for only $0.17. So to start with, let’s go outside and see what we can find just laying around.”

    grabs $47,000metal detector, hops in a $60k 4x4 with clear product placement labels in every shot, two minutes of time-lapse of someone wandering around aimlessly while apparently looking for things

    “Alright so we found a couple old glass bottles that can be washed out and made into a rustic display piece, and if you follow me over here you’ll never guess what I found. That’s right, its 147 acres of forested land with a 6 bedroom, 2.5 floor cabin and small pond, all with blank ownership forms! And with just a couple million graciously donated by my parents, we have all we need!”

    " this just goes to show all you need to do to accomplish your dreams is get your hands dirty and do a little hard work."

    filler for ad revenue

    " Anyway thanks for watching, this episode was sponsored by that game company you hate and can never escape ads for! "

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    Don’t forget the plainer, 6ft vices, 14in miter, industrial table saw, ceiling vacuum, 10k sqft working space, chisels, and time.

    Oh and the pallet that isn’t covered in grime and weathered.

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      It’s like those “I turned this piece of cracked waste wood into this fantastic resin table” videos.

      The many buckets of resin in itself costs thousands. And they only passingly mention that the resin was sponsored.

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        You see something similar on metalworking videos: “I just used this scrap piece of steel/brass/copper/aluminum I had laying around”. Conveniently leaving out the fact that it’s hundreds of dollars of raw material.

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          To be fair the scrapbin in a Metall workshop thats been running for some time is usually pretty full and has some nice pieces. In production it’s often the case that you have to be carefull not to keep to much junk. (Source: professional metallworker)

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    For me it was more the video “We build this wonderful (some totally expensive wood) box for (absolutely small money)” - and the key point was that he had a large enough cutoff of said expensive wood lying around from a previous project, and all he needed to purchase was some felt and hinges.

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    I don’t get the hate for the Domino. It is an extremely useful tool to save time, but it is a purely luxury thing and there is nothing that you can’t do without it. After all, in the end a Domino is just a fancy dowel and you can build anything that is shown in those youtube videos with a cheap dowel-jig. I built complete tables with this jig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osC9T3WVnlM which cost me 20€ in a set with dowels, drillbits and woodglue. Yes, it took me 2 hours to do the dowelling which would have been 15 minutes with the Domino, but I am only building a table once every 10 years and not weekly like those Youtubers do.

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      Nobody hates the domino. They hate that it’s used in YouTube projects trying to display doing something on the cheap.

      If the projects used a dowel jig instead, nobody would complain. But the domino is a very expensive tool and blows the goal of a 35 dollar project.

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        If the projects shown would use a dowel jig, you would only get one video per month from your favorite channel instead of one per week. Additionally, it would be extremely uninteresting to watch the YouTuber use the dowel jig after the first 2 videos you watch because it is tedious and not very interesting.

        And I really dont see the point. As a hobby woodworker you would be able to complete the projects with the same result by using a dowel jig, it would just be more work for you. When they say “I use the Domino because I have it on hand, but you can use any tool that you own to join these boards” that really is true. The Domino does not change the outcome, it just makes the process easier.

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          I didn’t think there’s anything wrong with using a domino. Not every channel explains that you can use a dowel jig.

          A real problem in DIY video is treating materials cost as the only cost to taking on a project. I’ve definitely seen at a bunch of them demonstrate doing a project in a way that requires a certain tool without explaining alternatives. I’ve seen many videos that get a job done for under 50 dollars because they have a full shop on hand.

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            Ahh, okay yeah I get it. Would be a lot better for beginners if they just said “I’m going to use a Domino, if you don’t own one you can use a dowel jig. Here is a video explaining how to do it” and link to a dowel jig tutorial. Would probably be the best for new watchers and doesn’t annoy the long term viewers who know how to use dowels

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      My main gripe is that you can’t roll one out without excusing yourself from using it. So you hear “Yes today I am using a Domino, but you don’t have to. I get lots of comments saying “Well that’s great if you have $90,000 worth of tools” You could do this with biscuits or dowels, or make the mortises with a normal router, you don’t need this thing, but since I do have one…” And I’m kinda tired of skipping through it.

      But it speaks more to OP’s overall gripe, where woodtubers will start a video with the thesis statement “I made this in an afternoon out of just one 2x10!” Actual materials list: 1 2x10, two board feet of white oak and half a board foot of walnut “I had lying around,” four hanger bolts, four lag bolts, two pairs of self-closing drawer slides, four locking casters, and nine nails. Add on to this several large pieces of plywood, pine and toggle clamps for making specialized jigs. Several steps use a jointer, planer, drill press and other large, expensive tools hobbyists likely don’t have. The joinery process takes no time at all because of the use of a $1500 joiner.

      “And that’s how I turned a single 2x10 into a luxury camping trailer that sleeps six, all before dinner time!”

      They sell it as a cheap and fast project, except during the course of the video the budget balloons into the tens of thousands when you include the tools. Sure you could get it done with a simpler set of more basic, multifunctional tools…it’ll just take forty times longer.

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    And they’re using like 2x4 ft “offcuts” because everyone has offcuts the size if a dining table, right?

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      I found $17,000 worth of rare Australian long grain chestnut on the side of the road, around the back of a house, inside of a locked building, that was perfectly dry and already pre-planed.

      That’s how I was able to build this $65,000 table for $35.

      They only hang up I had is that for some reason some guy fired a gun at me like 6 times while I was picking it up.

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    It’s weird.

    I watch the videos to learn how to use tools and just enjoy the process. You may see a domino tool as a crazy extravagance that nobody has. Another person mentioned the resin or the large workbench as our of reach for most.

    I don’t even have a room that could fit a small workbench in, I use a tiny folding table thing if I need to saw anything.

    Sponsors should always be disclaimed but otherwise I just add the tools to the spreadsheet of dream workshop items and enjoy the video.

    Lathe envy intensifies

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    Meh I don’t mind folks investing in their hobby/profession. The click bait is bad, but if there’s none of that and they say “I’m making a big fucking table” I totally accept they probably have the equipment to do so well.

    I watch mountain biking videos of people on 10k bikes, backpackers wearing 2k in gear easily (plus the time to be away from work for weeks), artists with excellent materials, hell even gamers streaming on very high end gaming PCs that can handle gaming and video capture

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    The trick is: use YouTube differently. Ignore the trash, only watch and share the good stuff. After that, watch what it does to your algorithm. You’ll discover cool shit.

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    The difference between the tools they use and the tools you use is that theirs is way more expensive and also a tax write-off.

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    What’s the actual difference between the festool domino and a ryobi biscuit joiner?

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    I can edge glue boards without all that and they are plenty strong . A little more effort to align them I suppose, but otherwise I don’t see the point. If I did a dowel jig is trivial to make.

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      I absolutely agree, usually I go for the ganged up edge planing to get that complementary mating edge. Also if I were more than a hobby shop and doing things for money on a time budget, I’d probably think about buying some of that oh so expensive Festool stuff.

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    People will complain about any number of tools. “THIS GUY HAS $10K IN TOOLS, MINIMUM, NO ONE CAN DO THIS PROJECT WITHOUT ALL THOSE TOOLS!!!1!”

    Ignoring the fact that while that particular shop has expensive tools, nobody (sane) goes out and drops all that money at once. Most woodworking projects only need a table saw, a planer, a cordless drill, an orbital sander, glue, sandpaper and finish.

    All of the tools can be found cheap on Facebook marketplace, Craigslist, OfferUp, yard sales, or estate sales/auctions.

    • Table saw: I ran with a DeWalt job site saw for years before my wife talked me into getting a saw stop. $350 new, or ~$100 used. You can also find used contractor saws for $300 on a regular basis on the aforementioned platforms.

    • Planer: I used a shitty lunchbox planer for years that I saved from a dumpster with some 3D printed gears that I designed. I bought a used tank of a planer (still only 12", but 230V and weighs about two of me) for $200. You don’t need a jointer. Make a jointer sled for your planer and a jointer sled for your table saw. Takes longer, but I still used the planer sled for boards that don’t fit on my jointer.

    • Cordless drill: Ryobi has a drill and driver combo for around $100, or get a DeWalt for $60. Or scrape the bottom of the barrel for Harbor Freight that’ll get you by for a bit for $20

    • Random orbit sander: I used a $14 one from Walmart for years until my hands started hurting after using it. $100 for a new Makita one, can be found for $50 or less used.

    • Sandpaper: $12 for a massive pack on Amazon

    • Glue: $10 for a medium sized bottle of Titebond II

    • Drill bits: $5 at harbor freight

    Woodworking isn’t a cheap hobby, but you can get into it with used tools and some restoration work. People love to nitpick shit, and it gets old seeing the same defeatist mentality of people talking themselves out of even trying it.

    Space is the only thing you need, but even then, I started on a 5’x5’ apartment balcony in Florida, and used an uninsulated, unpowered 9’x16’ shed in Alaska for several years.

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      I’d say you’d also need a router.

      Lowe’s has got this Kobalt-brand router plus table for right around $200 that’s surprisingly good for the money. That’s the router, base, edge guide, table with fence and miter gauge, basically everything but bits.

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        A router is at the top of my list for “nice to have, adds a lot of value, but not absolutely necessary for basic projects” tools. I still don’t have a router table after 6 years, just a Makita plunge router that I got for $100. Great tool, but not 100% necessary if you’re just trying to make basic tables and such.

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          I would buy a router + table before I bought a miter saw, drill press, band saw, or even a jointer/planer.

          Decorative edges and mouldings, mortises, dados, grooves, slots, rabbets, hinge mortises, hell all of the operations that go into panel doors. And you can use a router, especially in a table, as an edge jointer, so in a pinch you can get into making panels without buying a jointer. Routers are hella versatile.

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            I’d agree with router before a drill press, miter saw, bandsaw, and a jointer. However, for simple furniture projects, I’d argue a planer is the second most important tool behind a table saw. You can use a planer with a sled for face jointing, and a table saw sled for edge jointing. Yes, you need a router for edge profiles, but not for dead simple tables and cabinets.

            Exceptionally versatile tool, and necessary to take you to the next level, but not more important than a planer.

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    Hating on festool domino is so cliche at this point. There are plenty of youtubers who are very upfront about building with limited tools. I think the expectations from the viewers are also ridiculous sometimes. “I can’t build this. I only have a ziplock back full of ikea allen wrenches, a pocket knife and half a roll of duct tape”.

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    I’m not sure there’s another tool people spend more time on Youtube excusing themselves for using. Just imagine:

    “Now on this project I am going to be using my palm sander. Now you don’t have to have a palm sander, you can get pretty good results sanding by hand. But since I do have a palm sander, I’m going to use it.”

    If I was running a commercial shop churning out furniture for retail sale, I might buy something like a Domino. The time it saves over a router table or dowel jig will pay for itself if it means you can build 10 chests-of-drawers in a month instead of 9.

    In my home shop, which is a 10x12 shed in which I make stuff for me and my family, thinking about maybe opening a little Etsy store…I ain’t got room for the box it comes in. I legitimately struggled to find a place to put some sandpaper I bought the other day.