It’s not been an MVP level season but I get what you are saying.
I mean yeah it has. Somehow we’re still managing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory anyways.
He had an OC so bad that he got fired, and has a head coach who seems to seek ways to lose, yet he’s still putting up gaudy numbers and scoring go ahead drives with <2min left anyways.
It literally is. He leads the league in EPA
He has 33 total TDs thru 12 weeks. That’s MVP level. Only reason we’re not talking about it is cuz he also has 16 TO’s.
16 TO’s in 12 games is really really bad
its 1.33 TOs per game; Hurts and Tua both have 14 in 11 (1.27 per game)
Eh. You can take off 2 of them as arm punts on third and long, 1 as a pick on a hail mary throw, and like 4-5 more as absolutely catchable balls that a receiver just dropped/tipped that ended up turning into an INT
Jameis?
Yeah the weird thing about MVP is it’s not the player who is most pivotal to giving the team a chance to win. It’s the QB on the winning team
You aren’t valuable if you choke, if you almost win, if you can drive down the field and throw an endzone pick. As good as Josh Allen is he isn’t more valuable ****this year**** than Strouds been, or Purdys been, or the real MVP front runner Lamars been. Ravens had almost this many wins at the end of the season last year, the Texans went from worst team to “dark horse” and the 49ers look like the greatest team of all time IF Purdy is playing like Purdy plays. Allen shouldn’t even be in the conversation, neither should Mahomes. I don’t give a fuck how many 12 year olds buy their jersey or how good they were last year, and neither will the voters when they both finally fall off in the odds
Yeah, I mean if that was what MVP was really about, then CJ Stroud would be the MVP and it wouldn’t even be close.
Seems like Josh Allen is wasting an MVP-level season with all those turnovers
Only reason we’re not talking about it is because the Bills are 6-6. If you watch those 16 turnovers, a lot of them are really not on Allen, come on arm punts, or involve defenders making incredible plays. He has one of the lowest turnover-worthy-play rates in the NFL
It is an MVP level season lol. We are so desensitized to Josh Allen putting up MVP cam numbers lmao.
it has been a mvp season but you probably just havent watched enough football
If he had like 3-4 less turnovers and a couple more wins, he’d likely be frontrunner for MVP. He’s on pace for 4,553 passing yards, 485 rushing yards, 34 passing TDs, and 13 rushing TDs.
So all in all, he could end up with 5,000 total yards and 47 total TDs - but he also has 13 INTs and is a league leader in INTs.
It’s crazy to think he’s currently leading in total TDs (and passing TDs), 2nd in total yards (he’s behind Howell by 5 yards), but he’s also leading in INTs which is killing his MVP chances
Even if he had the same stats he would be #1 if Bills had 3 more wins.
Which they could easily have if the Bills defense didn’t choke away multiple games this year.
He has 13 INTs currently. He has I think 16 total turnovers? So if you continue the “on pace” he would be over 20 turnovers by the end of the season. Has anyone ever won MVP with that many turnovers?
Dak has both those things and isn’t a frontrunner.
It has been
He is not playing at an MVP level.
Jeez. 3 posts ago is herbert needs to be held accountable for chargers failures and here it’s Josh Allen is playing at an mvp level but the bills are wasting it?
Yahoo’s stuff has gotten worse over the years
I don’t watch enough Bills games to know, but wasn’t the narrative that he was way too turnover prone a week ago?
Occasional MVP for opposing defenses
Yes. Media got to talk about something.
He’s had two awful turnover filled games (that were tied or leading late in the game anyway) and had some bad luck with tipped passes but other than that he’s been lights out.
Orlovsky had some good analysis on this a week or two ago.
That’s the narrative despite throwing the 6th least amount of turnover worthy passes according to PFF. (That was before the eagles game, so it likely changed.)
Allen has 2 more than Jalen Hurts, with one more game played this season. Let’s see how many the MVP favorite gets this week.
Among people who Josh and us that is the narrative but it requires you to forget literally every other statistics exists. In context the primary driver is volume, and he is very efficient with his volume.
He has around the same turnovers as the other top QBs other than Purdy and Herbert.
Narratives are dumb and are driven by team results and short term thinking more than anything. Allen has one bad game, he’s trash. One great game, he’s God.
Smartest thing to do is look at his overall body of work and realize that he’s actually a damn good QB who consistently gives his team 5000+ yards and 40+ TDs of total offense a year (on track to roughly match those numbers for a 4th straight year, I say roughly because in 2020 he was 35 yards short of 5,000.) Despite mostly having had bad O-lines and limited run games (although I think they’ve been better this year) and a lot of inconsistency past his #1 receiver.
He definitely has flaws. He will never be Aaron Rodgers in terms of taking care of the ball and avoiding turnovers. His career INT% is 2.4, which is roughly comparable to Drew Brees, Tua Tagovailoa, Joe Flacco, Matt Stafford, Ryan Tannehill, Ben Roethlisberger, and Andrew Luck. From 2019-2021 it was 2.0%, which is better than Jalen Hurts’ and Lamar Jackson’s career averages and in line with Joe Burrow. The last two years, with insanely injured defenses adding even more pressure for him to be everything on top of being the Bills’ pass game AND run game, those percentages have gone up. Take all that for what you will.
It’s unfortunate that we can’t run more experiments in the NFL. It would be fun to see what Josh Allen’s or Lamar Jackson’s numbers might be if they played for Andy Reid or Doug Pederson or had two elite targets like Joe Burrow and Tua do. It would be fun to see what Herbert could be doing if he wasn’t held back by Staley’s coaching and a terrible defense. It would be fun to see what sort of numbers Burrow could have by now if he could stay healthy. I feel like there are too many contextual factors that cause year to year swings in players’ performances for Reddit/Twitter/bloggers to always jump to such definitive conclusions on a player being either elite or trash.
The NFL is both the best and worst sport for sports talk by a mile. Opinions on the entire careers of players change by the week. Brock Purdy went from star to bust to star within about a month. Same with the Josh Allen takes, everything from Favre to MVP to bust. Allen’s obviously a great player, but people love to shit on players after a loss or bad performance, to the point that it reads like satire even though it’s not.
Compare his numbers to the current MVP favourite.
I think hes tied as a league interception leader right now. Hes a great qb but hes not having an mvp level season. I dont think theres any fair argument for that.
I think that was 2 weeks ago. And 2 weeks before that he was mvp caliber again lol. You really don’t see nearly as much overreaction as in other sports. Lebron’s team got cooked by almost 50 last night and there’s no “he’s washed” talk at all. Wonder why that is? Maybe becasue they play so many more games.
my first reaction was “mvp level?!” He just throws it deep and hopes for the best when things dont work out. Hes singelhandedly cost them games with his overaggressive play style. He has moments when he looks great but he balances it out with just as bad plays.
If you actually think that you just know nothing about football.
That was the narrative yes (and randomly is again every few weeks) but not the reality
He’s got a total of 2 more turnovers than Tua and hurts, other mvp candidates and has a lower turnover %per touch and lower turnover worthy play rate. It’s a narrative but a lazy one.
Guys going to end up with over 5,000 yards total offense and close to or exceeding 50 TDs. While being too 5 in completion % and #1 in EPA.
In 4 of our 6 losses he lead the team down to take the lead on his last drive only For the D to squander.
If the D holds up on 2 of those games he would be the betting favorite for MVP, by far right now.
It’s legit the difference between people who value analytics and really dive into the game versus people who just follow narratives and listen to talking heads. The narrative says turnovers make him an overrated qb because it’s an easy lazy argument to make in 2 sentences. People who actually are understanding what they are watching, who I respect, say otherwise.
There are at least 3 games where their defense just couldnt make a stop in late 4th quarter and lost because of that
Allen has two more turnovers than mahones and hurts but hasn’t been on bye yet (so has one more game played). He also has the most TDs.
Like anything in sports news the most dramatic take become the official narrative.
He’s had a better TD:Int ratio than Mahomes for most of the season. He was never the issue other than week 1, even when we we had a JV offensive coordinator he was the only reason things worked at all.
He’s always gonna be a guy who throws a decent number of picks cuz he trusts his elite arm to make throws into the tightest windows. Sometimes you win, sometimes you get burned, but either way that capability adds a pretty big advantage to the offense.
He still is but so is the “front runner” who really shouldn’t be higher than 5th in the MVP conversation behind 3 other QBs and 2 position players.
Allen is 29th in the league for PFF turnover worthy plays. He’s had a few bad picks, but way more bad luck.
I saw somewhere that 2 of his picks even resulted in positive EPA…so there’s also that.
Yeah, it’s definitely not an MVP season lol
Been the narrative since he entered the league. Dude loves turning the ball over. Usually, winning teams don’t do that. Hence their record.
There is no illusion, Josh Allen is losing these games for the Bills.
His INT are up and his fumbles are way down compared to the last couple of years.
def not mvp level. people were just talking about his turnovers. clicks clicks clicks
Should probably just burn it all down and trade Josh to NE and rebuild. Definitely the best option.
This dude is a guaranteed turnover+ a game and yet “the Bills” are wasting his season? LMAO.
Josh Allen is the issue
I’m sorry if this comes off the wrong way, but if you’re not finding ways to win games, then you’re not playing MVP caliber football. How can you be the most valuable player in the league, if you’re not winning? I get that it’s a statistical thing, but there needs to be more consideration in whether you are doing enough to win.
In other words, Josh Allen should be losing the MVP race because of the performance of those around him.
Because wins aren’t an individual stat and shouldn’t be used to evaluate individual awards
Man’s on track to throw like 18 interceptions and probably 6-7 fumbles on top of that. Not an MVP season unless he goes apeshit and throws 60 touchdowns
Continues to be a league leader … in turnovers
Defending a guy with 17 turnovers is WILD
Buffalo had a defense once. If they can keep playoff bound teams under 20 points they’ll be in the big dance again. Too bad they cant.
Jesus. The only thing I’ve learned from reading the comments is that Dolphins fans are super triggered every time they read his name.
This isn’t an MVP caliber season